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<blockquote data-quote="James Gasik" data-source="post: 9252128" data-attributes="member: 6877472">Look, I'm the first one to say I wish 5e handled magic items better than &quot;here's some items, you can use them, I guess, we won't tell you how, so any mistake is on you&quot;.&nbsp; But at the same time, if a DM says &quot;sure Mr. Eldritch Knight with PAM, have +2 armor, +2 shield, a cloak of displacement and a Staff of Power&quot;, and that causes issues, I mean, surely they could have seen the AC rising with each new piece of gear and noticed that, hey, my CR 15 dragon only has +11 to hit!OTOH, without magic boosts to AC, some classes quickly realize they have no business whatsoever in melee combat, as AC quickly levels off.&nbsp; By level 5, a Fighter who wants it is rocking full plate for his AC 18.&nbsp; A few levels down the road, he might be looking at a CR 9 Fire Giant who hits that on a 7.&nbsp; Sure, he can tank his damage by switching to a shield, but that poor melee Rogue with his AC 17?&nbsp; Not good!&nbsp; So if he can stack a ring of protection with some other defensive item, it's not a problem unless his AC rises to a number the DM can't handle.Also.&nbsp; If I reply to a comment that says: &quot;Rings of Protection have never stacked with magical armour bonuses so why would I ever think they were intended to start now in 5e&quot;, saying &quot;well, ring of protection didn't stack with shield of faith lesser deflect or a cloak of protection&quot; doesn't make what I said untrue.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="James Gasik, post: 9252128, member: 6877472"] Look, I'm the first one to say I wish 5e handled magic items better than "here's some items, you can use them, I guess, we won't tell you how, so any mistake is on you". But at the same time, if a DM says "sure Mr. Eldritch Knight with PAM, have +2 armor, +2 shield, a cloak of displacement and a Staff of Power", and that causes issues, I mean, surely they could have seen the AC rising with each new piece of gear and noticed that, hey, my CR 15 dragon only has +11 to hit! OTOH, without magic boosts to AC, some classes quickly realize they have no business whatsoever in melee combat, as AC quickly levels off. By level 5, a Fighter who wants it is rocking full plate for his AC 18. A few levels down the road, he might be looking at a CR 9 Fire Giant who hits that on a 7. Sure, he can tank his damage by switching to a shield, but that poor melee Rogue with his AC 17? Not good! So if he can stack a ring of protection with some other defensive item, it's not a problem unless his AC rises to a number the DM can't handle. Also. If I reply to a comment that says: "Rings of Protection have never stacked with magical armour bonuses so why would I ever think they were intended to start now in 5e", saying "well, ring of protection didn't stack with shield of faith lesser deflect or a cloak of protection" doesn't make what I said untrue. [/QUOTE]

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