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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 9253526" data-attributes="member: 2525"><p>1. You're saying a town is whatever the DM wants it to be, so if the town is centered on killing dragons then a town can kill a dragon. THAT'S CIRUCLAR LOGIC. </p><p>2. The monster manual has an entry for commoners and the description of that commoner ARE THE COMMON CITIZENS OF A TOWN. </p><p>3. The citizen militia is just the able bodied people grabbing whatever weapons they have. The Monster Manual entry for them lists a club. But you wanted to give 1/3 of the population 50 gp long bows and claim they suddenly had more training in weapons than half the PC classes. You then backed off and "only" gave them 25 gp short bows (still half a years labor to afford) and which still many PC classes do not have proficiency with.</p><p></p><p>So yeah, you're changing the rules to do whatever you want them to do, and then arguing your change proves your point. Of course a town serves whatever purpose the DM deems it to be - so does the Dragon! But the "typical" resident of a town is listed in the rules and you've decided essentially zero residents are going to match that typical listing. You're basically saying "I am writing the town to win this argument!" here.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah, they do, they use whatever they can grab. It's an informal grab every abled bodied person, not some formal thing with an armory and military training and a large budget to buy expensive things which otherwise would cost half a years labor.</p><p></p><p></p><p>This is the ultimate "I win this argument by fiating whatever I want!" type disingenuous approach. Why not equip them all with +3 broadswords of dragon slaying while you're at it. After all, when it was said a town of 1000 people can kill a dragon, everyone understood that to mean "because a town is equipped with whatever you want to equip them with" and not what's listed in the MM, right?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 9253526, member: 2525"] 1. You're saying a town is whatever the DM wants it to be, so if the town is centered on killing dragons then a town can kill a dragon. THAT'S CIRUCLAR LOGIC. 2. The monster manual has an entry for commoners and the description of that commoner ARE THE COMMON CITIZENS OF A TOWN. 3. The citizen militia is just the able bodied people grabbing whatever weapons they have. The Monster Manual entry for them lists a club. But you wanted to give 1/3 of the population 50 gp long bows and claim they suddenly had more training in weapons than half the PC classes. You then backed off and "only" gave them 25 gp short bows (still half a years labor to afford) and which still many PC classes do not have proficiency with. So yeah, you're changing the rules to do whatever you want them to do, and then arguing your change proves your point. Of course a town serves whatever purpose the DM deems it to be - so does the Dragon! But the "typical" resident of a town is listed in the rules and you've decided essentially zero residents are going to match that typical listing. You're basically saying "I am writing the town to win this argument!" here. Yeah, they do, they use whatever they can grab. It's an informal grab every abled bodied person, not some formal thing with an armory and military training and a large budget to buy expensive things which otherwise would cost half a years labor. This is the ultimate "I win this argument by fiating whatever I want!" type disingenuous approach. Why not equip them all with +3 broadswords of dragon slaying while you're at it. After all, when it was said a town of 1000 people can kill a dragon, everyone understood that to mean "because a town is equipped with whatever you want to equip them with" and not what's listed in the MM, right? [/QUOTE]
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