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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 9253772" data-attributes="member: 2525"><p>You're begging the question - not the new meaning of that phrase "begs the question" which means the opposite of the real definition, but the old real definition of that phrase. You are making an assumption about the word "militia" and then just failing to fill in a huge amount of data behind that word.</p><p></p><p>Militia, to me, just means anyone able to respond to a fight. That's it. There are no rules for it because it's not a rules concept. It's like saying all things green - you don't need a rule for green, it's green. You don't need a rule for people able to fight, you get that means pretty much everyone except the old and young, and those taking care of the old and young. It's not a word which comes with training. It's not a word which comes with some set amount of experience. It doesn't carry extra equipment or proficiencies. It's just a description of "people who can respond to a fight."</p><p></p><p>They're still commoners. They're not special commoners who suddenly happen to be rich enough to afford a high end luxury item like a short bow or long bow, they are not special commoners who suddenly didn't need to subsistence farm and had time and training to gain proficiency in weapons that even some professional adventurers never gain proficiency with. They're still just commoners, and we have stats for those.</p><p></p><p></p><p>No that's the NPC price. It's listed how much a commoner makes a day, and how much it costs to get a short bow or long bow, and we can run the calculation. Even if you incorporate the Xanathar's crafting rules, it's still WELL WELL WELL beyond affordability for a town of 1000 to afford 300 of either.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>We have rules the cost of this. You don't get to just make this up to try and win an Internet argument. You keep doing that. Please stop. The entire argument made was "Rules as Written Dragon cannot beat Rules as Written town of 1000." You can't change any part of that. If the book gives you a way to do it, that's how you run the calculation. Otherwise, why bother continuing to discuss this. I will make up my own scenario for what a Dragon could do too if that's the path we're going down.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Commoners get no background, they're not PCs. Yet another "Imma houserule this to win an argument on the Internet" oddness. Cut it out man. No more "town wins because I write it so the town wins" nonsense.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Cool. This dragon vaporizes people from a range of 1000 feet. After all, the dragon in the MM has never been the end all of what Dragons can do, right? We done with that silliness now?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 9253772, member: 2525"] You're begging the question - not the new meaning of that phrase "begs the question" which means the opposite of the real definition, but the old real definition of that phrase. You are making an assumption about the word "militia" and then just failing to fill in a huge amount of data behind that word. Militia, to me, just means anyone able to respond to a fight. That's it. There are no rules for it because it's not a rules concept. It's like saying all things green - you don't need a rule for green, it's green. You don't need a rule for people able to fight, you get that means pretty much everyone except the old and young, and those taking care of the old and young. It's not a word which comes with training. It's not a word which comes with some set amount of experience. It doesn't carry extra equipment or proficiencies. It's just a description of "people who can respond to a fight." They're still commoners. They're not special commoners who suddenly happen to be rich enough to afford a high end luxury item like a short bow or long bow, they are not special commoners who suddenly didn't need to subsistence farm and had time and training to gain proficiency in weapons that even some professional adventurers never gain proficiency with. They're still just commoners, and we have stats for those. No that's the NPC price. It's listed how much a commoner makes a day, and how much it costs to get a short bow or long bow, and we can run the calculation. Even if you incorporate the Xanathar's crafting rules, it's still WELL WELL WELL beyond affordability for a town of 1000 to afford 300 of either. We have rules the cost of this. You don't get to just make this up to try and win an Internet argument. You keep doing that. Please stop. The entire argument made was "Rules as Written Dragon cannot beat Rules as Written town of 1000." You can't change any part of that. If the book gives you a way to do it, that's how you run the calculation. Otherwise, why bother continuing to discuss this. I will make up my own scenario for what a Dragon could do too if that's the path we're going down. Commoners get no background, they're not PCs. Yet another "Imma houserule this to win an argument on the Internet" oddness. Cut it out man. No more "town wins because I write it so the town wins" nonsense. Cool. This dragon vaporizes people from a range of 1000 feet. After all, the dragon in the MM has never been the end all of what Dragons can do, right? We done with that silliness now? [/QUOTE]
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