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<blockquote data-quote="Celtavian" data-source="post: 6461570" data-attributes="member: 5834"><p>It did not start in 4E.</p><p></p><p>It started back in Advanced. Rogues did a lot of damage with an opening attack and if attacking from the back (as determined by the DM). Often enough to kill something outright. Then again this was back in the days when dragons had 60 hit points.</p><p></p><p>A high level rogue could sneak up on something with a very high chance of success (percentage based) and strike hard doing anywhere from times 2 to times 5 damage. It was quite substantial. </p><p></p><p>Sneak Attack/Backstab continued to do substantial damage in 3rd edition, though as more of a standard attack. When something wasn't immune, they did immense damage.</p><p></p><p>4th edition rogues did ok damage.</p><p></p><p>5th edition are back to ok damage.</p><p></p><p>Here is a discussion on it for some history lessons for those that either didn't play a rogue or don't remember how strong their damage was:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://pogromisland.com/html/RulesForge/Backstab.htm" target="_blank">http://pogromisland.com/html/RulesForge/Backstab.htm</a></p><p></p><p>Sorry to say, I was not incorrect. Rogues had been premier damage dealers since very early in the D&D. One of the best damage dealers in the game. They were often able to kill something outright with a backstab before it could attack back. They definitely rivaled warriors for damage. Not in a straight up fight, but as part of a party environment. It was why people enjoyed playing them. Positioning for a backstab to rip up an opponent was part of the fun of playing a rogue.</p><p></p><p>I get it. Some of you are too young to have played an early edition rogue. You only did 3rd edition where tons of stuff was immune to their attack or 4th edition "striker" rogue. Rogues used to frighten players as did assassins (when it was a percentage chance to outright kill you). PCs didn't have near the hit points they have now. So a backstab was not something you wanted to get hit with.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celtavian, post: 6461570, member: 5834"] It did not start in 4E. It started back in Advanced. Rogues did a lot of damage with an opening attack and if attacking from the back (as determined by the DM). Often enough to kill something outright. Then again this was back in the days when dragons had 60 hit points. A high level rogue could sneak up on something with a very high chance of success (percentage based) and strike hard doing anywhere from times 2 to times 5 damage. It was quite substantial. Sneak Attack/Backstab continued to do substantial damage in 3rd edition, though as more of a standard attack. When something wasn't immune, they did immense damage. 4th edition rogues did ok damage. 5th edition are back to ok damage. Here is a discussion on it for some history lessons for those that either didn't play a rogue or don't remember how strong their damage was: [url]http://pogromisland.com/html/RulesForge/Backstab.htm[/url] Sorry to say, I was not incorrect. Rogues had been premier damage dealers since very early in the D&D. One of the best damage dealers in the game. They were often able to kill something outright with a backstab before it could attack back. They definitely rivaled warriors for damage. Not in a straight up fight, but as part of a party environment. It was why people enjoyed playing them. Positioning for a backstab to rip up an opponent was part of the fun of playing a rogue. I get it. Some of you are too young to have played an early edition rogue. You only did 3rd edition where tons of stuff was immune to their attack or 4th edition "striker" rogue. Rogues used to frighten players as did assassins (when it was a percentage chance to outright kill you). PCs didn't have near the hit points they have now. So a backstab was not something you wanted to get hit with. [/QUOTE]
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