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Message: <blockquote data-quote="eryndel" data-source="post: 6461655" data-attributes="member: 13120">That's a great ruling, but that certainly wasn't the case at every AD&D table.  In some groups I played, you couldn't both Move Silently and Hide in Shadows at the same time.  Others you could.  Both were supported by the rules in the book.  I never played where bonuses were multiplied, but I knew others who argued those rules.I can agree that if you played with a DM that allowed you multiply strength and magic bonuses with backstab, and if you played in a game where the DM was pretty permissive with magic items that you had an awesome strength bonuses (either along with or instead of the fighter getting that gear) and if your DM was pretty easy-going with setting up the conditions to get a backstab that a simple set of % rolls could get you potentially several backstabs in a combat, then yes... in such a game high-level thieves would really shine in the damage dealing.  Even still, at low to mid levels I'd rather count on my fighter for damage.To say that AD&D as designed expected the above, is a stretch.  I completely believe that in the games you played in and ran, rogues were king.  That's just not my experience, and it sounds like it wasn't for others as well.</blockquote>