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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Patryn of Elvenshae" data-source="post: 2113427" data-attributes="member: 23094">Ah - so you like my reading, then, that the Line Test is the only criteria that matters?In that case, you've opened up flanking to ranged combat.  Congratulations!  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />No, the requirements for flanking are, as I said above, either the first paragraph combined with the second paragraph (melee attack + line test) or the second paragraph (line test).If you go with the 1st-and-2nd ruling, then you are only flanking when you make a melee attack.  As you posted from the SRD:Not "When you could possibly make a melee attack," or "When an opponent is in range of a melee attack," but "When making a melee attack."And, therefore, you are flanking only during that instant in which you are making a melee attack.  Because of this, no one else is flanking during that instant in which you are making a melee attack, because they fail the test put forth by the first clause of the flanking rules.Therefore, the Formians are immune to flanking because when I'm trying to flank one of them, Bob isn't flanking the other one, and vice-versa.However, if you decide that flanking does not depend on making a melee attack (which is what *I* am arguing), then the only criteria that matters is:Note that this paragraph says absolutely nothing about threatening, being in melee range, or making a melee attack at all.Therefore, as I posted above, you have two choices when reading the flanking rules:1) Only when making a melee attack and passing the line test2) Only when passing the line testYou cannot rule any other way and be supported by the rules.Now that's funny. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />Sad, but true. In fact, if you go back a long, long way into this topic, you'll notice that I've supported all along the fact that I can flank with a non-improved unarmed strike, so long as I've got an ally that passes the line test.The fact that I led two others into contradicting the rules in their efforts to prove me wrong on ranged flanking is nothing more than a humorous jibe.</blockquote>

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