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<blockquote data-quote="The Gryphon" data-source="post: 2114247" data-attributes="member: 17286"><p>Why would it need to, flanking is listed in the PHB. As for designer intent it's pretty obvious. Does any PC race in the PHB have space/reach of anything other that 5 feet...no. How big is a square according to the rules...5 feet.</p><p> </p><p>The problem with your blanket statement is that a fine or diminuitive creature can flank a tiny creature, doesn't seem right does it <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />. To make a complete conditional line for that situation it would be very long and wouldn't come up often enough IMO to waste the space on. Which is likely why the 3.0 to 3.5 flanking listing was shortened as it was a superfluous line, based mostly on common sense, for anyone not trying to contort the flanking rules to their own ends <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />.</p><p> </p><p>Also, using your own reasoning, if ranged combat was part of flanking in the core rules they would have said "a creature with a reach of 0 feet cannot flank in melee combat, but can flank in ranged combat" as reach never effects ranged combat.</p><p> </p><p>I imagine they thought it would be intuitive, and that people wouldn't try and bend the rules to suit their own interpretation. Honestly how often are you going to have tiny or smaller creatures fighting creatures of their own size or smaller...pretty much never as a PC from the core rules will be small or medium.</p><p> </p><p>I'm not removing a stupid ruling, I'm modifying it as required for the situation (i.e. all creatures fighting only require a space of 2 1/2 feet so I can effectively treat them as if they were small creatures; if it's a tiny and a diminuitive then I can treat the tiny as a small and the diminuitive as having 0 reach).</p><p> </p><p>If that goes heavily into house rules territory then I don't know where your interpretation goes <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Gryphon, post: 2114247, member: 17286"] Why would it need to, flanking is listed in the PHB. As for designer intent it's pretty obvious. Does any PC race in the PHB have space/reach of anything other that 5 feet...no. How big is a square according to the rules...5 feet. The problem with your blanket statement is that a fine or diminuitive creature can flank a tiny creature, doesn't seem right does it :D. To make a complete conditional line for that situation it would be very long and wouldn't come up often enough IMO to waste the space on. Which is likely why the 3.0 to 3.5 flanking listing was shortened as it was a superfluous line, based mostly on common sense, for anyone not trying to contort the flanking rules to their own ends ;). Also, using your own reasoning, if ranged combat was part of flanking in the core rules they would have said "a creature with a reach of 0 feet cannot flank in melee combat, but can flank in ranged combat" as reach never effects ranged combat. I imagine they thought it would be intuitive, and that people wouldn't try and bend the rules to suit their own interpretation. Honestly how often are you going to have tiny or smaller creatures fighting creatures of their own size or smaller...pretty much never as a PC from the core rules will be small or medium. I'm not removing a stupid ruling, I'm modifying it as required for the situation (i.e. all creatures fighting only require a space of 2 1/2 feet so I can effectively treat them as if they were small creatures; if it's a tiny and a diminuitive then I can treat the tiny as a small and the diminuitive as having 0 reach). If that goes heavily into house rules territory then I don't know where your interpretation goes :D [/QUOTE]
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