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<blockquote data-quote="Zaebos" data-source="post: 2119461" data-attributes="member: 1499">I can see why your confused, and I should have been more clear... typically, you do have to threaten a target to get your flank bonus.The way I look at it is that that you need to threaten a target to gain your bonus. Melee attack and threaten are interchangeable, with the noted exceptions... it's just an easier way to look at the situation, since that is the way threaten is written.&quot;You threaten all squares in which you can make a melee attack...&quot;&nbsp; If you can't make a melee attack you don't threaten the square, if you don't threaten a square, you can't make a melee attack (with the noted exceptions of course).So like I said, we have been arguing over semantics, but the outcome is still the same.(Edit: For Grammer)EDIT: Quick comment as welljust to reiterate... it is just an easier way to look at it.&nbsp; By strict definition, to gain a flank bonus you must be able to melee attack your target, and by default, you must threaten your target.&nbsp; Noted exceptions are with the whip and unarmed attack, where you do not threaten the target, but are still able to make a melee attack, and therefore able to get a flank bonus should the other criteria be met for flanking.These situations are fairly rare, and infact, since 3.0 and 3.5 have come out, to date, no one has used a whip in my games.&nbsp; It is just easier to use the word threaten when explaining the game to novice players and DM's, since most of them wont face this situation very often.Again, threaten and melee attack are 2 different things, but one and the same in most cases.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Zaebos, post: 2119461, member: 1499"] I can see why your confused, and I should have been more clear... typically, you do have to threaten a target to get your flank bonus. The way I look at it is that that you need to threaten a target to gain your bonus. Melee attack and threaten are interchangeable, with the noted exceptions... it's just an easier way to look at the situation, since that is the way threaten is written. "You threaten all squares in which you can make a melee attack..." If you can't make a melee attack you don't threaten the square, if you don't threaten a square, you can't make a melee attack (with the noted exceptions of course). So like I said, we have been arguing over semantics, but the outcome is still the same. (Edit: For Grammer) EDIT: Quick comment as well just to reiterate... it is just an easier way to look at it. By strict definition, to gain a flank bonus you must be able to melee attack your target, and by default, you must threaten your target. Noted exceptions are with the whip and unarmed attack, where you do not threaten the target, but are still able to make a melee attack, and therefore able to get a flank bonus should the other criteria be met for flanking. These situations are fairly rare, and infact, since 3.0 and 3.5 have come out, to date, no one has used a whip in my games. It is just easier to use the word threaten when explaining the game to novice players and DM's, since most of them wont face this situation very often. Again, threaten and melee attack are 2 different things, but one and the same in most cases. [/QUOTE]

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