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<blockquote data-quote="Jacob Lewis" data-source="post: 6102694" data-attributes="member: 6667921"><p>I find people weird, too. They seem to have a simple answer for everyone else's problems or opinions because, for whatever reason, it doesn't apply to them. So let's see if I can help you to understand why it might still be a problem for people who might not be so weird. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>First of all, I'm assuming you have a bias for 3rd Edition since you only mention your experience with it. I played it as well, so I can agree that it wasn't difficult to ignore the extraneous or supplemental material that was truly considered "optional". Heck, 2nd edition was even easier; they had sourcebooks that had the title "Option" in it! (i.e. Player's Option - Combat & Tactics, Campaign Option - Council or Wyrms, etc.)</p><p></p><p>Fourth Edition, however, was a different story. WotC (Hasbro) was smart, but they were only thinking of themselves. See, there was no longer a set of three books to define "CORE" of the game because <em>everything</em> was considered "core". So every book or supplement had something for everyone! PHB1 was *not* acceptable to stand alone, unless you were fine with cutting out traditional options for characters, like half-orcs, gnomes, bards, and druids. (That's the short sample list, btw.) Later on, they decided on a new approach to produce the "Essentials" line of TEN "all-you-need" products as the new core line. Yet, it was unsatisfactory as they attempted the ever-tricky line of introducing a whole new design philosophy without trying to make all the previous products invalid or obsolete. Ultimately, it was not a very good plan.</p><p></p><p>All that aside--and I must apologize for the forthcoming tone, but --what makes you think that "people like me" need to listen to people like you who believe we don't already do what you do, that we aren't capable of deciding for ourselves what we want or don't want, or that anything you do may not be anything anyone else wants to do? You said it yourself, "I am just sad they don't churn out more in the category I like." Everyone's 'category' is different, my friend. Some people get what they want, while some wish they could have more. You are just basically telling me if I would be happier if I were just... well, YOU.</p><p></p><p>So what I will take from this is that YOU are happy with the game of your choice, which is great! Your game is still supported strongly with a great fanbase, and I may yet decide to return to it someday and be as happy as you are. But it seems you don't care for the next edition, or even the previous one (ie 4e), so I don't expect you can even relate to what I said in my original post. I don't normally waste time responding to negative comments, but it is important for me to show everyone else why comments like yours might be offensive to someone else. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>PS I actually used Red Hand of Doom for parts of a 4e campaign! Still my favorite adventure in any edition! Game on! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>EDIT: And for the record, I did not intend to single blackbrrd out because there are a few other similar responses in this thread. Everyone take their share accordingly. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jacob Lewis, post: 6102694, member: 6667921"] I find people weird, too. They seem to have a simple answer for everyone else's problems or opinions because, for whatever reason, it doesn't apply to them. So let's see if I can help you to understand why it might still be a problem for people who might not be so weird. ;) First of all, I'm assuming you have a bias for 3rd Edition since you only mention your experience with it. I played it as well, so I can agree that it wasn't difficult to ignore the extraneous or supplemental material that was truly considered "optional". Heck, 2nd edition was even easier; they had sourcebooks that had the title "Option" in it! (i.e. Player's Option - Combat & Tactics, Campaign Option - Council or Wyrms, etc.) Fourth Edition, however, was a different story. WotC (Hasbro) was smart, but they were only thinking of themselves. See, there was no longer a set of three books to define "CORE" of the game because [I]everything[/I] was considered "core". So every book or supplement had something for everyone! PHB1 was *not* acceptable to stand alone, unless you were fine with cutting out traditional options for characters, like half-orcs, gnomes, bards, and druids. (That's the short sample list, btw.) Later on, they decided on a new approach to produce the "Essentials" line of TEN "all-you-need" products as the new core line. Yet, it was unsatisfactory as they attempted the ever-tricky line of introducing a whole new design philosophy without trying to make all the previous products invalid or obsolete. Ultimately, it was not a very good plan. All that aside--and I must apologize for the forthcoming tone, but --what makes you think that "people like me" need to listen to people like you who believe we don't already do what you do, that we aren't capable of deciding for ourselves what we want or don't want, or that anything you do may not be anything anyone else wants to do? You said it yourself, "I am just sad they don't churn out more in the category I like." Everyone's 'category' is different, my friend. Some people get what they want, while some wish they could have more. You are just basically telling me if I would be happier if I were just... well, YOU. So what I will take from this is that YOU are happy with the game of your choice, which is great! Your game is still supported strongly with a great fanbase, and I may yet decide to return to it someday and be as happy as you are. But it seems you don't care for the next edition, or even the previous one (ie 4e), so I don't expect you can even relate to what I said in my original post. I don't normally waste time responding to negative comments, but it is important for me to show everyone else why comments like yours might be offensive to someone else. :) PS I actually used Red Hand of Doom for parts of a 4e campaign! Still my favorite adventure in any edition! Game on! ;) EDIT: And for the record, I did not intend to single blackbrrd out because there are a few other similar responses in this thread. Everyone take their share accordingly. :) [/QUOTE]
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