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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 8411687" data-attributes="member: 16814"><p>Ron's hyperbole was because he teaches storytelling and values it greatly, so seeing people being trained into not being able to engage with stories well was something that distressed him. It's worth noting that he came to this from his classroom experiences and noting a pattern there. In that context, it's still hyperbole, but it's easier to understand that he was seeing something that deeply frustrated both his professional engagement and his closely held value system.</p><p></p><p>Again, I think the piece is too provocative to be useful to anyone not coming at it from exactly the right angle, just like trying to reenter the atmosphere from space. (I got more out of the reread I just did than at any time prior to that because I was already inured to the provocations.) Anyone else not coming in at exactly the right angle is going to bounce off or burn up in reentry.</p><p></p><p>However, the genetic argument being leveled is one that annoys me, because it's used to shut down discussion rather than enhance it. Ron's comments on 4e linked in the OP are worth discussing, because he's got interesting takes on things (that you don't have to agree with but should at least engage - I have plenty of disagreements with Ron). However, this thread has been more about the Forge and one of Ron's old posts rather than the topic. This appears intentional to me.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 8411687, member: 16814"] Ron's hyperbole was because he teaches storytelling and values it greatly, so seeing people being trained into not being able to engage with stories well was something that distressed him. It's worth noting that he came to this from his classroom experiences and noting a pattern there. In that context, it's still hyperbole, but it's easier to understand that he was seeing something that deeply frustrated both his professional engagement and his closely held value system. Again, I think the piece is too provocative to be useful to anyone not coming at it from exactly the right angle, just like trying to reenter the atmosphere from space. (I got more out of the reread I just did than at any time prior to that because I was already inured to the provocations.) Anyone else not coming in at exactly the right angle is going to bounce off or burn up in reentry. However, the genetic argument being leveled is one that annoys me, because it's used to shut down discussion rather than enhance it. Ron's comments on 4e linked in the OP are worth discussing, because he's got interesting takes on things (that you don't have to agree with but should at least engage - I have plenty of disagreements with Ron). However, this thread has been more about the Forge and one of Ron's old posts rather than the topic. This appears intentional to me. [/QUOTE]
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