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<blockquote data-quote="Malmuria" data-source="post: 8411700" data-attributes="member: 7030755"><p>it's a little bit, "I'm sorry that people were offended by my comments," rather than really understanding why his comments were problematic. </p><p></p><p>I'll quote the offending passage, but, big content warning: child abuse</p><p>[SPOILER="Content Warning: child abuse analogy, the forge"]</p><p>- he compares playing a trad rpg to <em>sexual assault of a minor</em>[/SPOILER]</p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">he asserts that both experiences causes not just damage to a person's self consciousness, but literal damage to one's physical brain</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">he evidence for this is his anecdotal experience in the classroom (as opposed to anything resembling a psychological study)</li> </ul><p></p><p>The thread as whole indicates for me why some people who were around and engaged in these discussions during that time find the Forge to be so toxic. Many people responding simply pick up on Edwards' thoughtless analogy and either declare <em>themselves</em> to be "brain damaged" in this way, or describe people who like trad rpgs as brain damaged and therefore sadly incapable of understanding narrativist design. It's deeply condescending and cringe-inducing.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Malmuria, post: 8411700, member: 7030755"] it's a little bit, "I'm sorry that people were offended by my comments," rather than really understanding why his comments were problematic. I'll quote the offending passage, but, big content warning: child abuse [SPOILER="Content Warning: child abuse analogy, the forge"] - he compares playing a trad rpg to [I]sexual assault of a minor[/I][/SPOILER][I][/I] [LIST] [*]he asserts that both experiences causes not just damage to a person's self consciousness, but literal damage to one's physical brain [*]he evidence for this is his anecdotal experience in the classroom (as opposed to anything resembling a psychological study) [/LIST] The thread as whole indicates for me why some people who were around and engaged in these discussions during that time find the Forge to be so toxic. Many people responding simply pick up on Edwards' thoughtless analogy and either declare [I]themselves[/I] to be "brain damaged" in this way, or describe people who like trad rpgs as brain damaged and therefore sadly incapable of understanding narrativist design. It's deeply condescending and cringe-inducing. [/QUOTE]
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