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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Charlaquin" data-source="post: 8411814" data-attributes="member: 6779196">Wow, I’m sorry I started this whole derail. I  honestly just wanted to double-check that Ron Edwards was who I thought he was, I had no intention of making a big stink about stuff he’s said that I found distasteful, let alone bring Justin Alexander into the discussion. Though on that subject, I’ll have to have a look back at the dissociative mechanics essay. I read it when it first came out (not knowing at the time who Justin Alexander was) and hated it, but that was the height of the edition war and I was poised defensively at the time. I might at least find some value in it now with a cooler head and the benefit of hindsight, even if I don’t expect I’ll agree with him.Anyway, I’ll probably step out of this thread. I don’t think I’ll have anything constructive to contribute. Sorry again for setting the discussion down this path.EDIT: Nope, the article is just as terrible as I remember. It contains one interesting observation about how some game mechanics require the player to make decisions separately from their character’s decision-making process, and then the rest is a poorly-disguised anti-4e tirade. That’s disappointing.</blockquote>