RPG Now and Drive Through RPG merge

trancejeremy said:
Anyway, yeah, while I'm not much for PDFs, this doesn't sound good for consumers. Since one big conglomerate controls most of the PDF selling, they can charge more from the actual PDF makers, who then have to pass on the cost to the customers. Bad news for everyone but RPGNow/White Wolf.

well..they still have Paizo to compete against, right?

I'm kind of getting worried for Paizo. If rumor mill here is correct, then WotC is holding up a hardcopy of Age of Worms, supposedly because they compete with WotC adventures. Then WotC is also supposedly putting a toe into the water of online magazines. Toss in RPGNow and DriveThruRPG merging into OneBookShelf and it makes me concerned for Paizo.

Paizo has good name brand with Dragon and Dungeon, but if WotC ever pulled out the Official label from them I wonder how that would affect sales. :uhoh:
 

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Troll Wizard said:
Well so much for competition...

I'm not sure if there ever really was any competition in the vein that you imply existed. Certainly not directly for the end user/consumer, though it was true for vendors getting varying rates depending on who they used to distribute their electronic products. And it is also true that some vendors, all of whom will be paying the newly merged eTailor a larger percentage, will pass their increase on to the end user/consumer. But, since eTailors never actually buy "stock" of electronic products nor set their own prices, there was never really competition in the traditional sense as seen between, say, one brick and mortar retail outlet to another, or even online retailer who hold physical stock in warehouses.

It has been suggested by the future new conglomerate that the merger will incite an increase in sales to more than make up for the increase in the percentage but whether that will actually be the case remains to be seen. I doubt it will be the case but the decrease in the time required for the vendors to manage several outlets, with uploads and linking and PR might be worthy of a slight increase.

The telling factor, IMO, as to how truly, universally helpful this is to the vendors, in particular, is the push by the new conglomerate to require signed exclusivity agreements to receive the best rates. At present, it seems like a no-brainer since the bulk of the current so-called competition is part of the merger or becoming affiliates and folding their own storefronts, barring SJG's e23 eStore and Paizo, but the taint it leaves with me is that a handful of people just went through a couple of years of tussling over the pie wedges and, now that they have decided there is a greater benefit in working collectively, the more people they can lock into exclusivity agreements now means less likelihood that new competition will emerge.

For many vendors, myself included actually, there will be little change. If you want the publisher to receive the lion's share of the MSRP, check their website for the method they suggest you make your purchase. If you want to support EN World or RPG.Net, buy through their interface affiliate stores and they'll receive a percentage. If you're a diehard RPGNow.com-er, stick with their interface. If you prefer DTRPG, stick with their interface. Eventually, all of the RPGNow.com, DTRPG, and the affiliate interfaces will have you using the same ID and password, so it won't be any tougher to go one route or another.

As has almost always been the case in the past, the prices will likely be the same from store to store no matter which route you choose. no matter which route you choose.
 
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trancejeremy said:
Since one big conglomerate controls most of the PDF selling, they can charge more from the actual PDF makers, who then have to pass on the cost to the customers.

They can, but that might not be a smart move - remember that the pdf sellers are still in competition with the print sellers for the gamer dollar. And that one big conglomerate may be able to afford takign a slightly smaller profit margin on each sale, if it increases sale volume. So, you may just as easily see lower prices, rather than higher ones.
 

Umbran said:
They can, but that might not be a smart move - remember that the pdf sellers are still in competition with the print sellers for the gamer dollar. And that one big conglomerate may be able to afford takign a slightly smaller profit margin on each sale, if it increases sale volume. So, you may just as easily see lower prices, rather than higher ones.

From reading the posts in the publisher's forum it appears that the new conglomerate will be taking a bigger cut of the sales compared to when they were 3 separate companies. This means that in order for the publisher to make the same amount that they were previously they will have to increase their prices.

See post #29 on this thread by Joe Browning of Expeditious Retreat Press for more details.

Olaf the Stout
 



shrug

I rather liked RPGnow. I'm certain some good stuff here and there will take a beating in the shuffle.
But it is a free market. Anyone who doesn't like it is free to start their own site and show them how it ought to be done.

In the long term the shake ups help things move forward.
 

Wraith Form said:
Yeah, me too. And hated DTRPG.

I actually liked both of them. There were some PDF's that I could only get from DTRPG and some that I could only get from RPGNow. I hated the whole locked PDF idea but I have no problem whatsoever with watermarking the books. Myself and my gaming group are the only ones who are going to use them so I'm not worried about the fact that my name is on each page.

Overall I think I prefer DTRPG's user interface so I hope that they go with that over RPGNow's. The only thing I don't like is that they seem to be taking a bigger cut from the publishers compared to before the merger. That's not good in my opinion. Publishers aren't exactly dining on caviar as it is.

Olaf the Stout
 

I hope DTRPG don't make major business decisions when they're merged with RPGNow.

I'm hoping that OneBookshelf will still accept money order for cardless customers.
 

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