RPG Theory - Restrictions and Authority

[Yora]

There's a goodly amount of meat to talk about in considering what authority is given, by whom, and what are the limits of that authority.

But there's another thing that, eventually, probably ought to be discussed - what are the responsibilities that come with the authority?

I know we like to think of the situation in which we have been given power of some scope, and within that scope, we get to do whatever we want. But as a practical matter, is that the way things function? If you aren't fulfilling your responsibilities, your freedom to act in whatever way you choose is pretty much inconsequential, isn't it?

At the end of the day, a GM is always an entertainer, and the players are the people being entertained. Though unlike other media, the players are not only audience but active participants.

A GM does have power, but the purpose of the power is the enjoyment of the players. GMs who want players to dance to their tune to act out some kind of play that they want to see of course exist, but that's universally considered "doing it wrong" by anyone discussing this subject. Even GMs defending such behavior excuse it as being necessary to create more fun for the players.

GMs have a "natural authority" simply by the functions they perform that players don't even have to consciously give to them. GMs generally organize the game, prepare the game, and usually provide most of the game material. This automatically or instinctively establishes that the GM is in charge. Even in games played at the place of one of the players, or when a player is put in charge of the scheduling, the game is not "on" unless the GM says so. Players can be late, excuse themselves from the play space, or tell the others to start playing without them while they'll finish up their character sheet. When the GM stops, the game stops. Players can discuss among themselves what they want to do next, but those are discussions about what they will do once the game resumes. If the GM doesn't hear it, it wasn't played.
And this holds true for all RPGs that have a GM.

The questions which moves/actions/declarations can be made by either the GM or the players is subject to the rules of the specific game system. There can be a great range of authorizations that the rules grant to GMs and players. But the metagame authority described above exist outside the game system and simply follow from natural human group dynamics.

I think the most extreme form of maximum player autonomy and minimal GM authority would be found in player versus player wargames with a neutral referee. A term that can be found in various retroclones and presumably some really old D&D editions, even though it is no longer appropriate. The referee in a wargame can simply stand aside and let the players play by themselves, only making judgement calls about the implementation of the rules when the players are in disagreement, but not deciding a single thing of what happens in the game.

 

[pemerton]

I guess I would argue that this, at least in the case of common PbtAs like AW, DW, and Stonetop, kind of indirectly increases player authority since the player is given a number of mechanisms by which they can assert what the fiction is about. So in Dungeon World the GM is required to ask questions and use the answers. The players are not really constrained in how they answer (although one assumes genre and such are applicable, the table can always discuss any issues, which the rules do point out). The moves and bonds at various points also effectively represent players pointing at something in the game and saying "tell us about that thing!" which is certainly a level of authority that is not clearly allocated to them in more traditional games (but might be present).

Not disagreeing, just elaborating:

The ability of the player to shape what the fiction is about follows from the rules/principles that restrict hard moves. That is to say, if the player asserts "I look for X" or "I wonder about X" or "I do X", then provided that X is (in some loose sense) viable within the scope of the genre, the already established shared fiction, etc, the GM can't just say "sorry, no X today".

Vaguely related: I did a search for old posts and discovered that my earliest post on these boards setting out a "no failure offscreen" approach - which is to say, no hard moves in virtue of the GM making decisions about the fiction purely in their own imagination - were made a little over 10 years ago:

I'm happy for time to be a factor in the fiction ("If we don't rescue the prisoners in time, they'll all be sacrificed!"). But if it's going to be a factor in resolution, I want that to play out onstage ("Oh know - the gnoll demon priest is about to sacrifice those prisoners, and there's a demon and an ogre in the way - do you think you can get through there to rescue them?" - as it happens, the players in my game adopted defensive tactics at the start of the encounter and lost one of the prisoners).

you asserted that "no failure off-screen suggests no choice ever has a long term significance."

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This is a non-sequitur. That is, it does not follow from using no-failure-off-screen as the controlling basis for encounter design and the like that no choice ever has a long term significance. There is no reason in the abstract to think that it would follow (because operational planning is not the only dimension of significance). And I gave several examples from my campaign which illustrate, concretely, some events having long term significance despite being grounded in an "only on screen" approach.

Back in that discussion, the poster to whomI made that second reply seemed to find it hard to imagine certain possibilities in RPGing: they repeatedly used notions like "significant to the plot of the campaign" (referring to locations and to events); and they repeatedly assumed that the play of the game must generate information relating to time and distance/geography/situation which would then, of necessity, interact with the GM's secret offscreen knowledge to dictate events (eg that one of the planned, plot-significant events had occurred while the PCs were somewhere else doing something else).

The same poster was also producing "quantum ogres" (or, in their case, a "quantum trap") as if pointing to degenerate examples of Gygaxian play is a knock-down counterexample to the possibility of "story now" play.

I think many of these conversations have not changed much in the intervening 10 years! It can still sometimes seem quite hard to have discussions in which certain premises are recognised as contingent, as relevant to some approaches to RPGing (obviously Gygaxian play depends on the GM holding fast to prior prep) but not others.

 

[Campbell]

Fundamentally authority has to be in service to something. Not just for GMs. For players as well. I don't think it's fair to treat our responsibilities to one another as restrictions. I think it's most helpful to think the following terms:

Duties: Our responsibilities to one another.
Permissions: What we are expressly allowed to do in service to our duties.
Restrictions: What we are expressly not supposed to do even in service to our duties.

 

[aramis erak]

There's a goodly amount of meat to talk about in considering what authority is given, by whom, and what are the limits of that authority.

But there's another thing that, eventually, probably ought to be discussed - what are the responsibilities that come with the authority?

I know we like to think of the situation in which we have been given power of some scope, and within that scope, we get to do whatever we want. But as a practical matter, is that the way things function? If you aren't fulfilling your responsibilities, your freedom to act in whatever way you choose is pretty much inconsequential, isn't it?

The responsibilities can come from outside the group as well as inside. For example, I'm supposed to discourage R or stronger language choices, I'm required to have everyone mask if one or more players ask for it, and I can't leave until everyone else is out of the building... because I'm required to do so by the venue owner. And I do so, within reason. If I finish, but another group is in, I need to chase them out unless I know one of them is authorized to close up. I'm also expected to make reasonable efforts to prevent players from shoplifting. THis is all because we're in the back room of the FLGS. Tonight, the manager left before we finished. By about 10 minutes. Last week, she left an hour before us. 2 weeks ago, we left before she did, so she locked up (but I checked out with her before I left.)

I'm responsible just by the social contract of being the GM to try to present an engaging experience. We're doing a half-silly, half serious star wars, and my online group is doing a REALLY silly Talisman game.

 

[Maxperson]

D&D authority is fairly traditional. DM's have authority over most fictional content and all resolutions - however there are restrictions (Spells work as listed, enemies die in combat at 0 hp, etc).

There are no such restrictions in D&D. The DM has authority to alter any and all of those things on the fly if he wants. They don't restrict him. The true restriction is the social contract in which the expectation is that the rules will control unless the DM has good reason to change things. That way the players can rely on those rules to make decisions, since they will only rarely change without advance notice.

 

[Maxperson]

In most RPGs such as D&D, the GM has Absolute Power and has no restrictions. The rules are utterly meaningless to a GM as they can do anything. A GM can make a spell up and have it do anything, the same way they can have a creature live and survive zero hit points.

The DM does have absolute power and therefore no restrictions, but that does not mean that the rules are meaningless, let alone utterly meaningless. The rules do in fact have great meaning. They provide a strong backbone off of which the DM and players play the game.

The rules only become utterly meaningless if the DM is changing them constantly, such that there really are no rules providing any structure at all. At that point, though, you are no longer playing a game. It's just a fancy version of cops and robbers with one guy making up everything.

 

[aia_2]

Very interesting discussion! I'd add a level of complexity though: the authority can derive from the willingness of the persons around the table, from the social framework or even from the game they play... If i have understood correctly, it is not only a question in the hands of the DM (for a great part of the cases and from time to time up to a player). Some other constraints should be considered: the society, the relationships of the attendees, even (it is a rare case) the game itself...

 

[FrogReaver]

Fundamentally authority has to be in service to something. Not just for GMs. For players as well. I don't think it's fair to treat our responsibilities to one another as restrictions. I think it's most helpful to think the following terms:

Duties: Our responsibilities to one another.
Permissions: What we are expressly allowed to do in service to our duties.
Restrictions: What we are expressly not supposed to do even in service to our duties.

I’d say responsibilities are a type of restriction. But not only that.

 

[FrogReaver]

There are no such restrictions in D&D. The DM has authority to alter any and all of those things on the fly if he wants. They don't restrict him. The true restriction is the social contract in which the expectation is that the rules will control unless the DM has good reason to change things. That way the players can rely on those rules to make decisions, since they will only rarely change without advance notice.

The underlying source of all restrictions is the social contract. That isn’t a very interesting statement though.

Consider this thought experiment. D&D1 has spell X do Y. Now consider there’s a D&D’ that comes out that’s the same as D&D in all respects except that spell X now does Y’.

Ultimately the Players of D&D and D&D’ have the spell be different because the spell rules of their games are different.

I think it’s important to call out actual rules restrictions vs using the social contract to alter the rules and then having those altered rules serve as restrictions.

 

[Fenris-77]

I think it's a mistake of some order to claim that the DM in D&D has the power to change whatever he likes at a whim. That be notionally true, but what @Maxperson is describing as the social contract at the table restricts what the DM can actually do a fair bit. If anyone thinks that a DM can, say , unilaterally change the effects of the spell on a whim, or muck about other rules in the same way, then I would contend that first they are suffering from a very narrow reading of the rulebook, and second that their opinion doesn't actually match the way that many people not only play the game, but expect it to be played.

The kind of RAW reading needed to support the above idea just doesn't carry water outside of the white room.