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Rule of Three 4/25/11

[MENTION=40810]Mirtek[/MENTION]: The problem here is that the "community" takes every word ever transmitted by a member of the WotC staff as a promise. Much the same as is done with the "community" in MMOs, etc. Even your suggested response at the end would be viewed as a promise to deliver those goods within a "short" amount of time.

Making matters worse, is that WotC is now both a publishing company and a software development firm, two industries that are notorious for being unable to deliver goods by a given date. You do realize, that a large portion of WotC's content contributors are freelancers right? This means that WotC has relatively little control over them. Sure, they can not pay the freelancer if the work is not submitted in time -- which likely happens -- but that doesn't make quality work magically appear. I guarantee you that Random House, for instance, will not be able to tell you every book that is going to be published by them next year. In fact, they probably wouldn't be close. As they get closer, they'll get a better idea. If they can't tell you what's coming next year, they certainly can't tell you what's coming in 2016 -- again, because much of it is out of their control. Remember the clamor when "too much" time went by without the next "Harry Potter" book. People are complaining that George R.R. Martin still hasn't finished the "Game of Thrones" series, etc.

I'm certain that WotC does have a business plan for the next several years. In fact, I'm willing to bet that WotC has a target date for 5th Ed., or 4.5, or whatever they decide to call it. However, they cannot possibly pinpoint exactly what is going to be published when because of the nature of the business. Ironically, this is no different than any other magazine either. Sure, they try, but they cannot guarantee results. Its just not possible. It isn't simply a matter of making sure that X widgets are manufactured by Y date.

The unfortunate thing is, if WotC gave the answer you suggested, they would at best be playing with fire in a giant pool of gasoline, in no small part due to how vocal their internet community can be. This isn't a matter of bad business practices by WotC. Frankly, it would be bad practice to do what you are asking them to do because they simply cannot guarantee any specific content by a specific date unless said content is already finished. Even then, they can only really guarantee it if its an online offering. If its a print offering they are at the mercy of the printer, etc. If the printer has a problem, that could again delay things without WotC in any way being at fault. Yet it would be WotC that takes the hit because its generally bad business to throw your business partners under the bus. Even if they did, there'd be people who would claim that WotC should have had the content to the printer sooner or gotten another printer to take care of it in time, etc.

Is it frustrating not knowing exactly what WotC will release in August or November, etc.? For some I guess it is. But there's simply no way to guarantee that content. No other periodical would do the same either. Oh sure, its a fairly safe bet that Sports Illustrated will have an article on baseball in October, but they won't be able to tell you what all of their articles will be, nor even the nature of those articles. Even a periodical like Mad Magazine which doesn't necessarily rely on current events won't be able to guarantee it either.

Now I will agree with you that WotC could have done better in the past. I think they did make some notable mistakes, particularly in the realm of communications -- especially last year. However, its also clear that they are learning from those mistakes. Unfortunately though, as a publisher, its just not possible to guarantee what is released when. They can "hope" but that's all they can really do. What they have done here is given us a pretty specific piece of their business plan for the upcoming year. Business plans in any company though are always subject to change. Its why they are called plans and not guarantees.
 

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No fixed time commitment, but at least a hint that they understood what the community gave as feedback and that we'll not see the hundredth fighter article instead

I think what they said is fine. The fighter is not under-supported. You are basically wanting them to swear to us that they aren't stupid. If they were I don't think they would realize it.

They specifically said that they are basing their development based on community feedback. Give them a chance and let it rest. This response is the best I've seen to show me that everything coming out of Seattle will not revolve around Essentials based classes and that makes me very happy. Will it happen next week? Most likely not. Will it be enough to make everyone happy? I doubt it, but it's better than what we have gotten for almost a year.
 

WotC has stated everything on this matter that they CAN state without lying to us. There is a point where criticism becomes a bitter farce, and while it's fine to not expect them to live up to their statements, you need to recognize that NOBODY in their position could give you the statements you want, and evaluate in that light.
 

You are basically wanting them to swear to us that they aren't stupid.
Given how they shreddered every last ounce of faith I had in them I wouldn't believe such a promise. I want a small prove
However, they cannot possibly pinpoint exactly what is going to be published when because of the nature of the business.
I disagree, the certainly could archive the capability to do this, that would simply cost them more money (e.g. no more freelancers but fixed employees).
It isn't simply a matter of making sure that X widgets are manufactured by Y date.
Because making sure that X widgets are manufactured by Y date is indeed much more complicated in the typical just-in-time-environment (and don't you dare having your truck with your widgets arriving at 17:20, because our receiving department closes on 17:15 and you'll just have to wait until tomorrow until we accept your delivery and we'll have to claim the contractual penalty from you for the one day delay in delivery).
Even if they did, there'd be people who would claim that WotC should have had the content to the printer sooner or gotten another printer to take care of it in time, etc.
Which is the ordinary business reality for thousands of companies
WotC has stated everything on this matter that they CAN state without lying to us.
So they need to extend and improve their abilities
 
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Just as an example how a will to improve could look like:

The company producing Das Schwarze Auge (Germany's #1 RPG and one of the main reasons D&D is doing so badly here) recently fired the majority of the designers.

Because they also relied much on freelancers / people working from the creative environment of their home office (instead of let's say the depressing atmosphere of an ordinary office where their supervisors could actually supervise them) and ignored deadlines to much.

They were given the choice of moving to an office at the company headquarter and henceforth work a normal nine-to-five rhythm and get their sh## done on time or leave the company.

Sometimes hard cuts like this need to be done. It's not a hobby done for fun, it's a job done for a living and should be treated like this.
 

Mirtek, I'm afraid WotC could show you ten articles that meet your criteria and you'd still find something to complain about.

-O
 

Which is in no way different from the very same thing they kept repeating since after the first negative threads upon the announcement of Essentials started. Given their track record this could easily result in even more fighter articles.
Which is what they didn't tire to confirm since the first complaints after the mere announcement of essentials.

Except of course this question asked for support OTHER than open paragon paths and indirect power support.

The entire reason THAT question was asked because Heroes of Shadow DOES support pre-Essential classes ... but only through paragon paths and indirect power support.

They have repeated said they would cotinue to support pre-Essentials, and members of the community have repeated asked if there would be real support, not just stuff for Essential characters that older classes happen to be able to use.

So, this answer did confirm something new. It even goes on to say that they are apparently changing their approach to do so. While they don't confirm anything, they are saying they will be doing stuff that is FOR pre-Essentials.

Which is a weakness they need to improve at. Much more complicated business are doing plans for the next 5-year with bonuses in 2016 depending on reaching goals set 2011. And they can even pin a 20 pages article with 10 new powers and 5 new feats for, lets say, August?
Not even simply announce an article for such a class in 2011. This would at least show that they have identified the right classes as in need of support and their continued support for under-supported pre-essential classes won't be yet annother fighter article.

Well, if the fighter class is deemed an unsupported class in need of shoring up, then I'd expect "yet another" fighter article (is it just me, or have I not felt inundated by fighter articles?). Also, some people may want new stuff for their existing characters, not just support for classes they aren't playing because they are unsupported. They seem to be saying they want to do a mix, and likely still finalizing what they want to do.

Also, they don't do all their articles in house ... and, the second question also talks about why they can't nail down a specific class getting an article at a specific time. They talk about their SOP, and it's mostly "they submit what they want" although they are NOW going to give them a list of "stuff we want to see". It's not necessarily assigning tasks with deadlines though, so they can't expect to know when they'll be getting those articles in.

Other businesses are now tasked to budget how much of their specific product they will sell in Africa or Eastern Europe in 2012 (and have their personal bonus depending on that) and WotC can't even tell which articles they will have in August?

And what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

WoTC is part of Hasbro. D&D is part of WoTC. DDi is part of the D&D group. It's not a business, it's a department of a department of a department. It's a small fraction of Hasbro, kept around mostly for the intelectual property over anything else. When dealing with freelancers, and describing their process for creating articles, it explains why that would be. Considering it's a CREATIVE endevour, and not simply a matter of churning out a product that is at the manufacturing stage, it's not going to be set in stone.

Films, books, comics, video games, etc. Creative content takes time, and has fluctuating deadlines. The business of producing creative content isn't the same as manufactoring. Knowing how long it took to write one article doesn't create an accurate predictor of how long it will take to write another.
 

#1 Could be interpreted as being a good sign or "More Mage builds are on the way so we're TOTALLY supporting previous stuff as any wizard can take it". I am mixed on my feelings with regards to that.

#2 Same feeling as above.

Basically for those answers to mean anything to me I need to see results. Not new fighter builds. Not new wizard builds. But classes that need support actually getting that support. I would love to know what classes and builds they are intending for Heroes of the Feywild for example...

#3 This is actually my question and this time I'm definitively happy with the answer. An actual epic adventure arc sounds absolutely great. It's tangible and REAL support for epic. But again, it doesn't answer if epic monsters will be in Threats to Nentir Vale, which quite frankly at this point the answer probably is no.
 

But again, it doesn't answer if epic monsters will be in Threats to Nentir Vale, which quite frankly at this point the answer probably is no.

No, epic monsters will be in Threats to the Plane of Existence on Which Nentir Vale is Located. Epic monsters have more important things to do than hang around some little vale and threaten it.
 

Is Threats to the Plane of Existence an actual thing? I haven't seen any other monster vault products other than Nentir Vale. Also I would argue if they can't make products that support all three tiers in monsters, then that is a core flaw with the product from the beginning.
 

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