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Message: <blockquote data-quote="mlund" data-source="post: 6259222" data-attributes="member: 50304">First, "controls" necessary to keep spells like Wish from breaking game economies are like I outlined: generally cost-prohibitive to reloading every morning - moreso than the XP and GP costs f prior editions.Second, to make up for the way some of the most ill-conceived spells in D&D history expand a Wizard's in-game power horizontally (beyond simply killing people in battle) by high levels that Wizard would have to be horribly bad at the combat pillar to work out alongside the Fighter - and that's no going to happen.So we'll need some combination of the ability of the high-level PC Magic-User or Cleric to "warp reality" with their spells getting seriously curbed and the ability of non-casters of similar level to influence the word around them in ways beyond "hit it with sticks harder."Yeah, definitely stay away from that Pathfinder stuff. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> The market doesn't need yet another class-based d20 game that just degenerates into Wizard-wankery at higher levels.Yes, so the beginning of handling a game with a shared narrative is discarding the entire premise of one class being outright superior to another at any given level, IMO.Seriously, D&D doesn't need to sell itself on a naked appeal of "one day you'll be the jock's boss" narratives serving as some sort of coping mechanism for getting your head dunked into a toilet in high-school for being good at math. It doesn't need to make every Single-Protagonist-Focused sci-fi / fantasy novel and every demi-god NPC fit in its player character mechanics (*cough*Elminster*cough*).It does need to support cooperative game-play and narrative among a diverse selection of races, classes, and adventure scenarios.Yeah, no. Linear Fighters / Quadratic Wizards is supposed to be dead and stay buried in Next. If appeals to "tradition" and poor game design allow the worst quadratic offenders to creep back into the daily spell lists for casters at higher tiers then Design failed their commitments and 5E is truly a man without a country - neither adding value by fixing the glaring defects of prior editions nor breaking significant new ground.- Marty Lund</blockquote>

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