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<blockquote data-quote="Stormonu" data-source="post: 6259456" data-attributes="member: 52734">I'm not for a Tome of Battle solution, but fighters certainly should gain (or have the option to acquire) abilities other than knocking heads together.&nbsp; And that's really where he got the shaft in 3E.&nbsp; The fighter should shine and be fearsome in combat - and be at least able to get by outside the combat ring.&nbsp; Fighters who can't talk their way out of paper bags, circumvent traps or take on other obstacles should be rare and a result of the player having knowingly sacrificed those options.Wizards and Clerics got too much free reign in 3E, and then beat down into the ground to their knees in 4E.&nbsp; D&amp;D could still use the higher level spells for effects, but it needs to make sure those game-changing spells come with a cost (and not just in GP) that makes their use a rare and wondrous thing.&nbsp; Look at how hard it is for a wizard to have Wish in 1E or 2E for example - you'd have to have a minimum 18 intelligence (by RAW, a 1 in 216 chance, even harder if you did 3d6 in order) , and there were no bonus to stats for levels. Nor were there magic items that you could expect to reliably increase intelligence you could acquire by adventuring.&nbsp; Then, there's simply the matter of surviving long enough to get it.&nbsp; Top it off with acquiring or researching the spell to get it into your spellbook; I don't remember wizards automatically getting new spells when they leveled in 1E or 2E.&nbsp; And after all of that, every casting takes your human wizard out of action for 2-8 days (if not more as decided by the DM) - because elves can't reach the required level to cast the darn thing.&nbsp; Granted, all that combines to be pretty harsh - a bit overly harsh, I think.&nbsp; But what happened to spellcasting in 3E went too far in the other direction.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Stormonu, post: 6259456, member: 52734"] I'm not for a Tome of Battle solution, but fighters certainly should gain (or have the option to acquire) abilities other than knocking heads together. And that's really where he got the shaft in 3E. The fighter should [I]shine[/I] and [I]be fearsome[/I] in combat - and be at least able to get by outside the combat ring. Fighters who can't talk their way out of paper bags, circumvent traps or take on other obstacles should be rare and a result of the player having knowingly sacrificed those options. Wizards and Clerics got too much free reign in 3E, and then beat down into the ground to their knees in 4E. D&D could still use the higher level spells for effects, but it needs to make sure those game-changing spells come with a cost (and not just in GP) that makes their use a rare and wondrous thing. Look at how hard it is for a wizard to have [I]Wish[/I] in 1E or 2E for example - you'd have to have a minimum 18 intelligence (by RAW, a 1 in 216 chance, even harder if you did 3d6 [I]in order[/I]) , and there were no bonus to stats for levels. Nor were there magic items that you could expect to reliably increase intelligence you could acquire by adventuring. Then, there's simply the matter of surviving long enough to get it. Top it off with acquiring or researching the spell to get it into your spellbook; I don't remember wizards [I]automatically[/I] getting new spells when they leveled in 1E or 2E. And after all of that, every casting takes your [I]human[/I] wizard out of action for 2-8 days (if not more as decided by the DM) - because elves can't reach the required level to cast the darn thing. Granted, all that combines to be pretty harsh - a bit overly harsh, I think. But what happened to spellcasting in 3E went too far in the other direction. [/QUOTE]

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