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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lokiare" data-source="post: 6261222" data-attributes="member: 83996">I did the comparison at eighth level not thirteenth. If you want I can do it at thirteenth?The Fighter gets <a href="http://anydice.com/program/2568" target="_blank">proficiency (+3) and Advantage on the roll</a> so that means:Hit     Chance of Failure1       30.25%2       51.349375%3       76.33116687109375%4       94.3978633831599%That is pretty nice, but the Fighter can still take 3-4 hits in a single round before they ore the healer can act. It increases their survivability from 2-3 hits to 3-4.Now lets look at the spells Wizard gains at 13th level: They get one 7th level spell slot, one 6th level slots, and two 5th level slots. Which means they will likely use one 7th in one combat, one 6th in a different combat, and each of their 5th level spell slots in two other combats. For one spell per combat per day.5th:Contact Other Plane - Ask up to 5 questions and get plot breaking one word answers: "Who killed the King?", "Where is the enemies hide out?", "Is there a secret door within this complex?"Dominate Person - Completely control a person if they fail a save for 1 hour, no concentration required.Feeblemind - Permanently drop a targets Intelligence and Charisma to 3 and prevent spell casting. (its not clear whether the hit point damage is permanent).Hold Monster - Paralyze anything that fails a round by round Wisdom Save. So Fighters will be paralyzed around 2-3 rounds along with much of the bestiary. For the Wizard (or their party) to wail on with advantage.Wall of Stone - Permanent wall made out of stone. If you surround a target and they can't climb out or attack over or through the wall, you effectively shut them down until they can break through.6th:Banishment - Insta defeat extraplanar creatures that fail a save.Disintegrate - 60 hp or below and failed save = instant death. Otherwise a failed save deals 17d6 force damage (average 59.5).Mass Suggestion - "Fighter that pool (or 300 foot deep pit) over there is actually a refreshing spring, go bath in it, don't worry it won't hurt at all." and a failed wisdom save means the Fighter or up to 12 creatures takes a bath in acid for up to 1 day.Sunbeam - Make sunlight and beams of damaging light that hits everyone in a 50' line. That deals 6d8 radiant damage and blindness half and no blind on a Con save, each round for up to 1 minute.7th:Etherealness - Half damage from non-magic attacks, Invisible, no concentration up to 4 hours. Travel up into the air or down into the ground or through walls. What's not to like. That turns just about any non-magic combat into a cake walk and effectively gives the caster twice as many hit points making them rival the Fighter.Finger of Death - Insta kill 40 hp or lower or deal 12d8 (54) necrotic and if you kill a creature it rises as a zombie under your control.Mordenkainen's Sword - up to 10 rounds of better than Fighter like bonus's to attack roll and 3d10 damage attacks made without concentration or taking your actions. I'll take one of those. Its like haste on a Fighter, but on steroids.Plane Shift - A failed Dex and Charisma save and one creature is instantly defeated. Around 25% to 50% chance (depending on ability scores) of taking anything in the game out with a single spell.Prismatic Spray - 10d6 (35 average) damage of a random type or turned to stone on two failed saves or blinded and then shunted off to another plane or one of the previous and blinded for 1 minutes. Its a little chaotic but it hits multiple targets and can do some serious effects.{sarcasm}Yep, totally worth surviving an extra round or two in trade for all of that.{/sarcasm}</blockquote>

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