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<blockquote data-quote="stonegod" data-source="post: 5129300" data-attributes="member: 36973">1. Flaming staff doesn't affect this argument (we know magic powers translate across weapon/implement boundaries). 2. As pointed out, neither does the CB affect the argument. Its can be potential corroboration, but its not a rule decider.3. Both ends of a double staff are magic and weapons. Not implements (the entire staff is an implement; being a double weapon is a quality of the weapon). 4. The EPG errata is just pointing out (again) the one handed implement/two-handed weapon thing. Its only brought up for components as they said a staff can be embedded but had to clarify only as an implement (as it is always a two-handed weapon).As for other (non-arcane) staff implement users: Doesn't affect them as DIS only works for arcane casters.While there is significant overlaps in a weapon-implement in both roles, there are boundaries between them. If they were exactly the same, then we wouldn't be talking about not including prof bonuses and other mundane weapon properties.That's my reading.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="stonegod, post: 5129300, member: 36973"] 1. Flaming staff doesn't affect this argument (we know magic powers translate across weapon/implement boundaries). 2. As pointed out, neither does the CB affect the argument. Its can be potential corroboration, but its not a rule decider. 3. Both ends of a double staff are magic and [b]weapons[/b]. Not implements (the entire staff is an implement; being a double weapon is a quality of the weapon). 4. The EPG errata is just pointing out (again) the one handed implement/two-handed weapon thing. Its only brought up for components as they said a staff can be embedded but had to clarify only as an implement (as it is always a two-handed weapon). As for other (non-arcane) staff implement users: Doesn't affect them as DIS only works for arcane casters. While there is significant overlaps in a weapon-implement in both roles, there are boundaries between them. If they were exactly the same, then we wouldn't be talking about not including prof bonuses and other mundane weapon properties. That's my reading. [/QUOTE]

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