Rules Lawyers Are Funny.

[Scribble]

Last Friday night I attacked my group with a few ogres. 2 of which were the skirmishers that can toss a javelin, then make a charge attack all in one attack routine.

"Hey, he already threw a javelin and Charge is a standard action, he can't do that."

"He can." Smile.

"Damn you fourth edition."

Pissing off rules lawyers is fun.

 

[chaotix42]

I can just imagine the balled fists.

 

[Sammael]

Eh, 3.x had the Hurling Charge feat as well. So it's not exactly a 4E invention.

I deal with rules lawyers by asking players to leave all rules questions and debates for the end of the session. By then, everyone is too tired to debate rules...

 

[Akaiku]

Sigh, lazy rules lawyer. He should have known that the game has 2 sets of rules and memorized both the enemy's rules and his own.

 

[Scribble]

Eh, 3.x had the Hurling Charge feat as well. So it's not exactly a 4E invention.

I deal with rules lawyers by asking players to leave all rules questions and debates for the end of the session. By then, everyone is too tired to debate rules...

It's not so much that 4e "invented" the idea of breaking rules... I think it's more the idea that 4e works through exceptions so "he can" becomes a reasonable answer to a rules lawyer.

Really I wasn't trying to point out any edition abilities or anything. I just thought the scene was funny. I always find it funny when you can stop a rules lawyer in his tracks with just a couple of words.

 

[Zephrin the Lost]

It's not so much that 4e "invented" the idea of breaking rules... I think it's more the idea that 4e works through exceptions so "he can" becomes a reasonable answer to a rules lawyer.
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And thank whomever DM's thank for such developments. I greatly enjoyed 3.X but feel that 4e gives the Dm back much of the mojo from earlier editions. Exceptions to the rules are far more common so the players need to deal with what they are actually facing and not their concept of what they should be facing based on thier understanding of the system.

Does that make sense? Anyway, I agree with the OP.

 

[chaotix42]

That makes sense Zephrin (to me at least). The DM is using a lot less of the player's system to run his monsters now, so there are fewer expectations of what a monster is capable of - when the PCs have expectations and a monster then surprises them the sense of "WTF that's not how it works" is drastically lessened.

"Damn you fourth editon" sums it up nicely, IMO.

 

[jaerdaph]

Really I wasn't trying to point out any edition abilities or anything. I just thought the scene was funny. I always find it funny when you can stop a rules lawyer in his tracks with just a couple of words.

I learned this weekend that Editions are serious business around here, even with the humor tag attached... correction - even with the humor tag in bold!

 

[Cadfan]

I've noticed a similar drop in that sort of analysis by my players. It just doesn't work with the proliferation of custom monster abilities.

 

[Greg K]

It's not so much that 4e "invented" the idea of breaking rules... I think it's more the idea that 4e works through exceptions so "he can" becomes a reasonable answer to a rules lawyer.

Meh. I could "he can" in 3e as well. The players are not going to see the monster stats so they don't know if there might be a template, feat, or just a variant ability.