Rules Question
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Wicht
Hero
Okay - about the sash losing to another sash - IMO the sash should only have to make 1 payment to the other sash. But the rules should be reworded just a bit.
The reason for this is, in any other fight, the act of paying will prevent the sash from dropping a rank. Just because the payment is made mandatory does not seem to be reason to make the sash have to pay twice to avoid losing a rank. I notice in watching GD's Gray fight that my assessment of how much a sash would make per fight is indeed about right. Which means that until a sash can win one or two fights as a sash, they are gonna be habitually broke and a string of losing streaks will keep them broke.
The reason for this is, in any other fight, the act of paying will prevent the sash from dropping a rank. Just because the payment is made mandatory does not seem to be reason to make the sash have to pay twice to avoid losing a rank. I notice in watching GD's Gray fight that my assessment of how much a sash would make per fight is indeed about right. Which means that until a sash can win one or two fights as a sash, they are gonna be habitually broke and a string of losing streaks will keep them broke.
Left-handed Hummingbird
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Well... I respectfully disagree. I say Vae Victis!
Sashes about to lose a tier should just be careful about challenging other sashes.
Sashes about to lose a tier should just be careful about challenging other sashes.
Wicht
Hero
Left-handed Hummingbird said:
On what grounds...?
Make it easier on me and give a reason
Like I said, my reasoning is that against any other opponent payment prevents loss, why make it different against sashes? You are in effect penalizing sashes for fighting other sashes, which IMO is who sashes should be the most interested in fighting.
Left-handed Hummingbird
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Well, it seems natural to me that the victor is in the position of power and asserts his claims before, and reaps the resources of the defeated before, the defeated has an opportunity to use those resources for whatever the defeated please - in this case to uphold his current position.
Why should the victor care about leaving the defeated Sash with any Yen, just because the defeated Sash needs it to stay at a certain level? Especially a Sash victor, would IMHO be sure to get as many ¥ from the defeated as they could.
Why should the victor care about leaving the defeated Sash with any Yen, just because the defeated Sash needs it to stay at a certain level? Especially a Sash victor, would IMHO be sure to get as many ¥ from the defeated as they could.
Wicht
Hero
Left-handed Hummingbird said:
First of all sash do not need any amount of yen to stay at a certain level. They must lose yen to stay at a certain level. By losing yen, they manage to stay where they are at. It is only by not paying out the yen when they lose that they drop. But whether the loss of yen is mandatory in a fight or is not mandatory seems to me to be irrelevant to the fact that they still lost the yen.
Left-handed Hummingbird
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Yes. That was what I wrote as well.Wicht said:
And that is where we disagree. I say the Sash has an advantage because they are able to collect BOTH the normal amount of yen caused by losing to them AND the normal amount of yen the defeated Sash pays to stay at the same tier, if he or she so desires.Wicht said:
Well... I gotta go now. I'll finish this discussion later.
Phoenix8008
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Left-handed Hummingbird said:
LHH, I gotta disagree here. If a Silver Sash 0 loses to some non Sash fighter and pays to keep from dropping a tier, who gets the money? Nobody. It just dissapears. The fighter they are fighting doesn't get it. So why should that be different when they fight another Sash? Yes, they must pay the other Sash because they lost to them, but the winning Sash should not get the money they would pay to keep from dropping their tier. As to the argument of whether the payment for losing should cover the payment for not dropping a tier, I'm neutral. But IMO they should definately NOT get double charged like you are suggesting LHH.
Phoenix8008
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1. Don't read the rules you are discussing very thouroughly, this could make the objective immpossible.
2. Post in a really high minded sounding fasion as if you know exactly what you are talking about with no regard to the actual facts of the matter or the rules involved(see step #1).
3. After someone points out that your entire argument is based on a falsehood that should have been simply found and easily understood, gasp in astonishment, blush severly, and slap your forehead with your hand while saying "D'oh!" to yourself. (These steps can be taken one at a time if you are not coordinated enough to do all at the same time)
4. Open mouth and insert foot.
5. Be sure to pass along these instructions for others to use when they find themselves in similar future situations!
1. Don't read the rules you are discussing very thouroughly, this could make the objective immpossible.
2. Post in a really high minded sounding fasion as if you know exactly what you are talking about with no regard to the actual facts of the matter or the rules involved(see step #1).
3. After someone points out that your entire argument is based on a falsehood that should have been simply found and easily understood, gasp in astonishment, blush severly, and slap your forehead with your hand while saying "D'oh!" to yourself. (These steps can be taken one at a time if you are not coordinated enough to do all at the same time)
4. Open mouth and insert foot.
5. Be sure to pass along these instructions for others to use when they find themselves in similar future situations!
