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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9370184" data-attributes="member: 7030563">You will not be able to force an AOO on your turn with a P9/Echo 3Using Haste and on the first turn you are making 4 attacks (Haste attack, Action Surge Extra Attack, Unleash Incarnation).&nbsp; You continue 4 per turn as long as you hang on to concentration.Those 4 attacks if they all hit include 48 damage (using a Maul) and 17d8 in smites for another&nbsp; 76.5.&nbsp; That is 124.5 expending 2 3rd and 3 2nd level slots to do it.&nbsp; That is also if all hit, normally it will be like 90.&nbsp; In any case not even close to 300+For comparison:1. Bladesinger 9/Echo 3 can cast Shaddowblade at 5th level make 6 attacks and do 138 damage average on the first turn with a single 5th level slot (or as noted earlier 167.5 with steel wind strike) and a lot of times those attacks will be at advantage.2. A Gloomstalker 9/Echo knight3 can do the UI/AS trick and get 8 attacks on his first turn and do 133 damage average with no spell slots expended.3. A Hexblade 9/Echo 3 with metamagic adept can use UI/AS and get 6 weapon attacks and 3 Eldritch Blasts on his first turn and do 154.5 using two pact slots and 2 sorcery points.&nbsp; Also most of his weapon attacks will be at advantageAll of these examples are if everything hits and the majority of damage is comes from the Echo Knight subnclass.&nbsp; A 12th level Echo Knight on his turn can do 96 damage with action surge alone.Like I said, this combo is not as OP as it is made out to be.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 9370184, member: 7030563"] You will not be able to force an AOO on your turn with a P9/Echo 3 Using Haste and on the first turn you are making 4 attacks (Haste attack, Action Surge Extra Attack, Unleash Incarnation). You continue 4 per turn as long as you hang on to concentration. Those 4 attacks if they all hit include 48 damage (using a Maul) and 17d8 in smites for another 76.5. That is 124.5 expending 2 3rd and 3 2nd level slots to do it. That is also if all hit, normally it will be like 90. In any case not even close to 300+ For comparison: 1. Bladesinger 9/Echo 3 can cast Shaddowblade at 5th level make 6 attacks and do 138 damage average on the first turn with a single 5th level slot (or as noted earlier 167.5 with steel wind strike) and a lot of times those attacks will be at advantage. 2. A Gloomstalker 9/Echo knight3 can do the UI/AS trick and get 8 attacks on his first turn and do 133 damage average with no spell slots expended. 3. A Hexblade 9/Echo 3 with metamagic adept can use UI/AS and get 6 weapon attacks and 3 Eldritch Blasts on his first turn and do 154.5 using two pact slots and 2 sorcery points. Also most of his weapon attacks will be at advantage All of these examples are if everything hits and the majority of damage is comes from the Echo Knight subnclass. A 12th level Echo Knight on his turn can do 96 damage with action surge alone. Like I said, this combo is not as OP as it is made out to be. [/QUOTE]

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