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Sage Advice: Plane and world hopping (includes how Eberron and Ravnica fit in D&D cosmology)
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<blockquote data-quote="pming" data-source="post: 7473375" data-attributes="member: 45197"><p>Hiya!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This begs the question: "Why did Jeremy even bother then?".</p><p></p><p>I mean, if what he says has "no effect" on a player or a DM's game in Whitehorse, Yukon...why did he even say <em>anything</em> if it's so pointless?</p><p></p><p>The answer is, of course, because there are folks out there (quite a few I would imagine), that will take his word as "canon" or otherwise assume that what he says is "the truth". This, in and of itself, isn't a problem. The problem arises when a DM comes on, say, these forums and says "I want my PC's to go from my homebrew campaign world into [official-campaign-world]. Thing is, my campaign setting has no 'other planes'...at all. The only ones that kinda sorta exist would be 'Heaven' and 'Hell', and you only get there if you're dead". At that point, a LOT of people will then start spitting out "quotes" and making links to what Jeremy said about this, that or the other thing. This will lead to the DM having to explain a bit more of his world...which will lead inevitably to somebody claiming that they are "doing it wrong" or that they are somehow "being ignorant of the way the multiverse <em>really</em> works in D&D". This will derail the question into some drawn out debate about what is "true" or "not true"...and the original question will be forgotten.</p><p></p><p>Kinda like this thread, I would imagine. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>THAT is why Jeremy shouldn't have <u>stated</u> <em>ANYTHING</em> about Eberron/Ravnica. What could/should he have done? ... ... ...he should have "commented" on... ... ... "<em>Well, each DM can decide how or even if these worlds exist in their own campaign. A DM could use the Spelljammer model, or the Planescape model, the original 1e AD&D Great Wheel model, or something of their own design. Ebberon or Ravnica could be a cool addition to an individual DM's multiverse. It's not up to us to decide how it all fits together in someone else's campaign</em>".</p><p></p><p>He could have followed that up with a statement of what HE uses for HIS campaign. What he (and other "official designers/writers") say matters to the D&D community at large...weather or not he intends it to or not. One of those little bugaboos that comes with some level or notoriety. </p><p></p><p>Anyway...I really have no horse in this race as Ebberon and Ravnica will both not ever grace/sully the face of my campaign setting. That and I'm a crotchety old grognardian curmudgeon fairly set in his ways that EGG could return as a ghost and tell me "You're doing it wrong!" and I'd quip: "Yeah? Saaayss yooou!" <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /> (sorry, a <em>Who's Harry Crumb?</em> flash back there...) I was just trying to point out that what Jeremy (and other "officials") say WILL have an effect on the D&D community. And, imnsho, when he makes "statements" opposed to "suggestions"...it will cause more harm than good.</p><p></p><p>^_^</p><p></p><p>Paul L. Ming</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pming, post: 7473375, member: 45197"] Hiya! This begs the question: "Why did Jeremy even bother then?". I mean, if what he says has "no effect" on a player or a DM's game in Whitehorse, Yukon...why did he even say [I]anything[/I] if it's so pointless? The answer is, of course, because there are folks out there (quite a few I would imagine), that will take his word as "canon" or otherwise assume that what he says is "the truth". This, in and of itself, isn't a problem. The problem arises when a DM comes on, say, these forums and says "I want my PC's to go from my homebrew campaign world into [official-campaign-world]. Thing is, my campaign setting has no 'other planes'...at all. The only ones that kinda sorta exist would be 'Heaven' and 'Hell', and you only get there if you're dead". At that point, a LOT of people will then start spitting out "quotes" and making links to what Jeremy said about this, that or the other thing. This will lead to the DM having to explain a bit more of his world...which will lead inevitably to somebody claiming that they are "doing it wrong" or that they are somehow "being ignorant of the way the multiverse [I]really[/I] works in D&D". This will derail the question into some drawn out debate about what is "true" or "not true"...and the original question will be forgotten. Kinda like this thread, I would imagine. ;) THAT is why Jeremy shouldn't have [U]stated[/U] [I]ANYTHING[/I] about Eberron/Ravnica. What could/should he have done? ... ... ...he should have "commented" on... ... ... "[I]Well, each DM can decide how or even if these worlds exist in their own campaign. A DM could use the Spelljammer model, or the Planescape model, the original 1e AD&D Great Wheel model, or something of their own design. Ebberon or Ravnica could be a cool addition to an individual DM's multiverse. It's not up to us to decide how it all fits together in someone else's campaign[/I]". He could have followed that up with a statement of what HE uses for HIS campaign. What he (and other "official designers/writers") say matters to the D&D community at large...weather or not he intends it to or not. One of those little bugaboos that comes with some level or notoriety. Anyway...I really have no horse in this race as Ebberon and Ravnica will both not ever grace/sully the face of my campaign setting. That and I'm a crotchety old grognardian curmudgeon fairly set in his ways that EGG could return as a ghost and tell me "You're doing it wrong!" and I'd quip: "Yeah? Saaayss yooou!" ;) (sorry, a [I]Who's Harry Crumb?[/I] flash back there...) I was just trying to point out that what Jeremy (and other "officials") say WILL have an effect on the D&D community. And, imnsho, when he makes "statements" opposed to "suggestions"...it will cause more harm than good. ^_^ Paul L. Ming [/QUOTE]
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