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Sage Advice: Plane and world hopping (includes how Eberron and Ravnica fit in D&D cosmology)
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<blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 7476613" data-attributes="member: 48965"><p>So basically you ignore all the other references and connections that were made between DL ,other settings, and the Great Wheel (which you keep confusing with Planescape)... well except for the ones you don't want to ignore... seems pretty selective to me, especially when Dragonlance is much more prominent in Spelljammer and Ravenloft than in the Planescape Campaign setting where it's barely if ever mentioned.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So now you're determining what is or isn't canon for Dragonlance... I'm failing to see why Planescape is giving you such issues. Can you actually cite where Planescape is mentioned in DL or where DL is mentioned/subverted/changed by the Planescape campaign setting? Your complaints just feel like alot of hand wringing from someone who hasn't really read the Planescape setting, and who tends to get it confused with the Great Wheel cosmology (which existed way before Planescape did and was already being used to tie TSR's settings together... though as shown above you seem to have no problem selectively ignoring the earlier connections).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure it is... Belief shapes the multiverse is one of the fundamental themes of the Planescape setting... and one of the biggest differences between Planescape as a setting vs. The Great Wheel as a cosmology.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I was being facetious. For a more serious answer... in Planescape if enough people believe Devils all come from beneath mountains it will become true. And again Great Wheel vs. Planescape, you don't seem to be grasping the difference. These settings were assumed to be tied together through the Great Wheel before Planescape came along... yes their individual sourceboos give their take on the cosmology but that's true even today however the wider realm of early D&D books, stories, magazine articles, etc reference them as being part of the same multiverse. Now you can chose to ignore, claim they aren't canon, or whatever but that doesn't change the fact that these connections existed before Planescape.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>For the purposes of the discussion around when a cosmology was imposed on a particular setting the difference does matter... and no I don't agree. The Great Wheel is a cosmology, Planescape is a campaign setting with it's own tropes and themes that aren't necessarily a part of the Great Wheel cosmology when take by itself.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Lol.... No one is shoving their preferences down your throat. IMO other settings... FR, DL, GH, etc. don't share the themes or tropes of Planescape and they've never been forced on them. Now if you don't like the GW cosmology cool but it's been here since 1e and well they've made it pretty clear it's not going anywhere because people either like it and/or it can be easily ignored. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's cool vote with your dollars if you want change and we'll see if there are enough like you who despise the Great Wheel cosmology enough to enact change...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Imaro, post: 7476613, member: 48965"] So basically you ignore all the other references and connections that were made between DL ,other settings, and the Great Wheel (which you keep confusing with Planescape)... well except for the ones you don't want to ignore... seems pretty selective to me, especially when Dragonlance is much more prominent in Spelljammer and Ravenloft than in the Planescape Campaign setting where it's barely if ever mentioned. So now you're determining what is or isn't canon for Dragonlance... I'm failing to see why Planescape is giving you such issues. Can you actually cite where Planescape is mentioned in DL or where DL is mentioned/subverted/changed by the Planescape campaign setting? Your complaints just feel like alot of hand wringing from someone who hasn't really read the Planescape setting, and who tends to get it confused with the Great Wheel cosmology (which existed way before Planescape did and was already being used to tie TSR's settings together... though as shown above you seem to have no problem selectively ignoring the earlier connections). Sure it is... Belief shapes the multiverse is one of the fundamental themes of the Planescape setting... and one of the biggest differences between Planescape as a setting vs. The Great Wheel as a cosmology. I was being facetious. For a more serious answer... in Planescape if enough people believe Devils all come from beneath mountains it will become true. And again Great Wheel vs. Planescape, you don't seem to be grasping the difference. These settings were assumed to be tied together through the Great Wheel before Planescape came along... yes their individual sourceboos give their take on the cosmology but that's true even today however the wider realm of early D&D books, stories, magazine articles, etc reference them as being part of the same multiverse. Now you can chose to ignore, claim they aren't canon, or whatever but that doesn't change the fact that these connections existed before Planescape. For the purposes of the discussion around when a cosmology was imposed on a particular setting the difference does matter... and no I don't agree. The Great Wheel is a cosmology, Planescape is a campaign setting with it's own tropes and themes that aren't necessarily a part of the Great Wheel cosmology when take by itself. Lol.... No one is shoving their preferences down your throat. IMO other settings... FR, DL, GH, etc. don't share the themes or tropes of Planescape and they've never been forced on them. Now if you don't like the GW cosmology cool but it's been here since 1e and well they've made it pretty clear it's not going anywhere because people either like it and/or it can be easily ignored. That's cool vote with your dollars if you want change and we'll see if there are enough like you who despise the Great Wheel cosmology enough to enact change... [/QUOTE]
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