Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Sage Response: More on Mind Blank
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Voadam" data-source="post: 69296" data-attributes="member: 2209"><p><strong>In depth lawyerly sentence analysis</strong></p><p></p><p>Rules lawyer,</p><p></p><p>The problem with interpreting all of the sentences to be limited by the first, (it only protects against effects (divinations) that detect, influence or read thoughts or emotions) is that you then have to ignore the specific example presented later in the spell description (scrying with an arcane eye, which provides only visual information). General scrying is not covered by the first sentence, only the second and the example at the end. The exception would be a crystal ball with telepathy.</p><p></p><p>In general the first sentence says one set of things the spell protects against (protects thoughts and emotions from influence and detection). It includes no words of exclusion (it does not say it only protects against these categories). The second has a second set, mind affecting and divinations. There are no words indicating the second set is merely an example of the types of things listed in the first sentence. The next two do include words indicating that they are explanatory, using specific examples (foiling wishes and scrying).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Mind blank srd:</p><p></p><p>The subject is protected from all devices and spells that detect, influence, or read emotions or thoughts. This spell protects against all mind-affecting spells and effects as well as information gathering by divination spells or effects. Mind blank even foils limited wish, miracle, and wish when they are used in such a way as to affect the subject’s mind or to gain information about him. In the case of scrying that scans an area that the creature is in, such as arcane eye, the spell works but the creature</p><p>simply isn’t detected. Scrying attempts that are targeted specifically at the subject do not work at all. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Zenon,</p><p></p><p>I will try and dig out my ph2 later and post the description along with 1e and 3e's srd so we can see the evolution.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Voadam, post: 69296, member: 2209"] [b]In depth lawyerly sentence analysis[/b] Rules lawyer, The problem with interpreting all of the sentences to be limited by the first, (it only protects against effects (divinations) that detect, influence or read thoughts or emotions) is that you then have to ignore the specific example presented later in the spell description (scrying with an arcane eye, which provides only visual information). General scrying is not covered by the first sentence, only the second and the example at the end. The exception would be a crystal ball with telepathy. In general the first sentence says one set of things the spell protects against (protects thoughts and emotions from influence and detection). It includes no words of exclusion (it does not say it only protects against these categories). The second has a second set, mind affecting and divinations. There are no words indicating the second set is merely an example of the types of things listed in the first sentence. The next two do include words indicating that they are explanatory, using specific examples (foiling wishes and scrying). Mind blank srd: The subject is protected from all devices and spells that detect, influence, or read emotions or thoughts. This spell protects against all mind-affecting spells and effects as well as information gathering by divination spells or effects. Mind blank even foils limited wish, miracle, and wish when they are used in such a way as to affect the subject’s mind or to gain information about him. In the case of scrying that scans an area that the creature is in, such as arcane eye, the spell works but the creature simply isn’t detected. Scrying attempts that are targeted specifically at the subject do not work at all. Zenon, I will try and dig out my ph2 later and post the description along with 1e and 3e's srd so we can see the evolution. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Sage Response: More on Mind Blank
Top