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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Derren" data-source="post: 4175589" data-attributes="member: 2518">The problem is that this information is not separated from the combat information in 4E but from what we have seen is nonexistent You have the same freedom when the ooc information is written out. In that case you only have to change and remember the stuff you don't like while in 4E you have to make up and remember everything. And when the PCs do something unexpected this has to happen very quickly.Here I disagree. The problem with 4E is that many rules are made for combat balance which makes world building harder as the rules don't make much sense and are hard to explain in a logical manner.That is flat out wrong. And I am really interested in your definition of "metagame knowledge". Apparently metagame knowledge = using any tactic other than direct combat. Is it metagame knowledge when the PCs instead of storming a dungeon trap the entrance and then smoke or flush the enemies out by diverting a river into it? With 3E the DM simply has to look at what monsters can do to decide how they would react. In 4E this information is lacking and the DM has to quickly decide if that plan works or not, which poses the danger of railroading, and has to remember his decision or it can lead to inconsistencies.Also the danger of railroading is imo a lot smaller in 3E than in 4E as the DM simply has to look at the complete statblock of the monsters when teh PCs do something unexpected to determine how they react. In 4E only the combat abilities are spelled out and the DM has to quickly decide by himself what ould happen without any guide which poses the danger that he simply disallows the PCs plan to not deviate from the planed path.And I have no idea what you mean with Ability Denial. That things like Raise Dead don't work on NPCs when the plot demands it? That is imo a sign of bad DMing and has nothing to do with the rules themselves and will certainly happen in 4E too.</blockquote>

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