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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Technik4" data-source="post: 365405" data-attributes="member: 7211">Unorthodox RestrictionsIn general I like your benefits. The one point here is I don't think savages are necessarily more "skillful" than "civilized" people. Maybe reduce bonus skill points to what a human gets (resulting in humans getting all the skill points you intedned, but races with a lot of skill bonuses, not). I like your way of making some proficiencies "seem" martial or exotic, but it seems like a clunky mechanic. Do savage clerics deserve to use the great club? Or would it be such a big deal for them to use a club? What about savage rogues? As someone else said, maybe you could give them a free wpn prof in a certain subset (this ability would work like the bard's....).As far as disadvantages I have some bigger points of contention. Limiting someone's skill choices is rarely a good balancing act, especially if you are saying they "must" take certain skills. I would remove all skill-related disadvantages. The heavy armor restriction is good, keep that and illiteracy as the disadvantages. I would also argue against the spellcasting limitation. Savage Druids, imo, would be more common than regular druids, and shouldn't they be just as powerful, spell-wise? As for the weapon changes...what are the chances a savage rogue will find a rapier in the wild? Or any sort of savage finding a crossbow? The point of their classification as simple is that, if they defeat some warriors and find these devices, they will be able to figure out how to use them. And they will probably find them rather distasteful (being savages). I would add some sort of general role-playing restriction, maybe all savage distrust technology? And of course what savage would want a thin flimsy blade like the rapier? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I don't think the civilized option is necessary. This seems like mostly a lifting of the skill point ban (which I thought limited creativity anyway). My idea of savage means you are never really civilized. In short-lived races you just don't have enough time to adjust (realistically, and hollwood aside). As far as the long-lived races like elves, you would never really be accepted back into that society, and I doubt a savage (wood) elf would want to try anyway.Finally the feats are well done. My final estimation is that all these changes are balanced, as long as the ecl template goes up to 1. Perhaps as a balance, give savages +1 BAB and a full d12 of hit dice, though that may be too much. I have to run to work and don't have time to compare a savage ftr 1 to a ftr 2.These are just my thoughts, overall I think its an awesome idea, I am just always in favor of more options for the player.Technik</blockquote>

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