Saving throw bonuses and multiple effects that a single save can end

[DracoSuave]

And yet you didn't answer the question: where is this described? Why does +4 vs. daze&stun work vs. daze&weaken?

Because "daze and weaken" is a dazing effect.

The feat does not say '+4 to save against daze (save ends)' but is far more open ended. It simply requires it be a dazing effect, and thus, 'dazed and weakened (save ends)' qualifies.

To take it even further, a dwarf can apply his saving throw against poison... that doesn't even mean 'ongoing poison damage' but any poison effect that requires a saving throw.

So, if there was a power with the Poison keyword that gave 'dazed (save ends)' like, as an explicit example Prismatic Beams [wizard attack 15, phb], then a dwarf with that feat would get +9 to their saving throw against the non-damaging Will-defense effect of that power.

 

[Obryn]

And yet you didn't answer the question: where is this described? Why does +4 vs. daze&stun work vs. daze&weaken?

Check the wording of the feat.

If it says, "versus effects that daze or stun" then it applies to all save-ends-both or save-ends-all effects that include a daze or stun condition.

-O

 

[Blackbrrd]

Nice feat. I have got a player who can't make a save against daze if his life depended on it, so getting a +4 will get him even more frustrated. I am guessing he will start to roll 5 or less instead of 9 or less...

Btw, this is something for people who hate daze/stun effects, now the average duration will be much shorter than the two round average.

 

[Prestidigitalis]

Nice feat. I have got a player who can't make a save against daze if his life depended on it, so getting a +4 will get him even more frustrated. I am guessing he will start to roll 5 or less instead of 9 or less...

Undoubtedly. Just as when my Swordmage got better armor the DM started rolling 16+ instead of 14+. [ Yes, I know that eventually this deviation from statistically expected results will end. Eventually. Probably. Maybe even before the character dies. ]