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<blockquote data-quote="Coreyartus" data-source="post: 6743225" data-attributes="member: 5399"><p>I'm not sure what this thread has degenerated to, but there are some obvious takeaways from it.</p><p></p><p>1) SCAG's adoption into AL has been handled horribly, bottom line. Whether it was intended to be used or not by the powers that be, or whether it was communicated clearly that it wouldn't or might or could be used by the powers that be, or whether people got told one thing or incorrectly made assumptions or whatever--it simply hasn't been handled well.</p><p></p><p>Perception is everything. Doesn't matter how or when truth is told. Management of the perception of SCAG's applicability has been, honestly, a bit of a cluster*^&%. Go back to social media and see--repeatedly--how things were communicated to AL's participants. Multiple messages of contradictory communication from different sources--WotC initially indicating one thing (intentionally or not), WotC's Admins explaining differently, then AL's LCs and RCs unwittingly and faithfully towing that line. No one can say the miscommunication didn't happen--it did. "Is SCAG for use in AL?" ad nauseum... </p><p></p><p>Even if the right people weren't saying anything for fear of saying the wrong thing, others were doing the saying. You can't blame people for listening to the only authorities doing the talking.</p><p></p><p>But ultimately that's all irrelevant. The problem is that <em>no one was correcting them</em>. "It should be--no, it isn't--no, it might be--no, it will be..." It all results in a perception that isn't confidence inspiring. Rightly or wrongly. Sorry, but that's the way it is. </p><p></p><p>Take away: Please get your ducks in a row (however you're going to do it) before this happens again--<em>which it will</em>, because WotC is going to release more stuff, guaranteed. Stick with it, and make <em>that policy</em> clear whatever it is.</p><p></p><p>2) I can't say I agree with the convention paradigm. Anecdotally, for every 1 person that I know in my local circle that attends conventions, I know 5 more who don't and have no interest in doing so. But they still play. Conventions are irrelevant to them--even local ones... It's pulling teeth to get attendees and DMs--I've seen that struggle. I wouldn't count on the statistics of earlier OP's from earlier editions for applicable statistics--people are playing AL because it's very popular right now and it's the only RPG game in town with any recognizable local presence at their FLGS beyond MtG or wargaming. Pathfinder isn't found at local stores in the way D&D is now. It's not because small numbers of convention attendees have dispersed to engender community. It's coming from the other direction... </p><p></p><p>Take away: Please re-evaluate the relevance of those statistics because it feels (again--rightly or wrongly is irrelevant) a bit like trickle down theory from a certain perspective...</p><p></p><p>3) The difference between "house rule" and "rules adjudication" has been continually debated over and over and over again on Social Media channels. The problem isn't knowing what the difference is, the problem is clearly communicating that difference. And it has to be done over and over again as new DMs and players are presented with the difference in multi-various permutations whenever they have to debate who makes a rule or whether it exists whenever it comes up for the first time.</p><p></p><p>Take away: It doesn't matter whether you <em>think</em> you're being clear or the explanation is out there already in a million places. It's that very communication of the definition that is the heart of the quandary. If people aren't understanding what you're saying in the PG, it needs to be re-written or communicated in a way that <em>is</em> understood (frankly, there are parts that read like stereo instructions...). And that needs to be communicated to whomever is doing that writing, because it seems the biggest hurdle of new participants isn't the rules themselves but developing the capacity to contextualize AL's approach to the rules.</p><p></p><p>On a side note, Tia, I think you may be being a bit "combatant"... You're accusing the Admins of being condescending and applying motives, but you're likewise doing so and reading into their statements as well... </p><p></p><p>It's clear everyone's passionate about how they spend their precious spare time (and for some it could be argued it's even a quality of life issue). There's other headaches we could have with better benefits, but we all love this particular headache. It's bound to get better as kinks are worked out.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Coreyartus, post: 6743225, member: 5399"] I'm not sure what this thread has degenerated to, but there are some obvious takeaways from it. 1) SCAG's adoption into AL has been handled horribly, bottom line. Whether it was intended to be used or not by the powers that be, or whether it was communicated clearly that it wouldn't or might or could be used by the powers that be, or whether people got told one thing or incorrectly made assumptions or whatever--it simply hasn't been handled well. Perception is everything. Doesn't matter how or when truth is told. Management of the perception of SCAG's applicability has been, honestly, a bit of a cluster*^&%. Go back to social media and see--repeatedly--how things were communicated to AL's participants. Multiple messages of contradictory communication from different sources--WotC initially indicating one thing (intentionally or not), WotC's Admins explaining differently, then AL's LCs and RCs unwittingly and faithfully towing that line. No one can say the miscommunication didn't happen--it did. "Is SCAG for use in AL?" ad nauseum... Even if the right people weren't saying anything for fear of saying the wrong thing, others were doing the saying. You can't blame people for listening to the only authorities doing the talking. But ultimately that's all irrelevant. The problem is that [I]no one was correcting them[/I]. "It should be--no, it isn't--no, it might be--no, it will be..." It all results in a perception that isn't confidence inspiring. Rightly or wrongly. Sorry, but that's the way it is. Take away: Please get your ducks in a row (however you're going to do it) before this happens again--[I]which it will[/I], because WotC is going to release more stuff, guaranteed. Stick with it, and make [I]that policy[/I] clear whatever it is. 2) I can't say I agree with the convention paradigm. Anecdotally, for every 1 person that I know in my local circle that attends conventions, I know 5 more who don't and have no interest in doing so. But they still play. Conventions are irrelevant to them--even local ones... It's pulling teeth to get attendees and DMs--I've seen that struggle. I wouldn't count on the statistics of earlier OP's from earlier editions for applicable statistics--people are playing AL because it's very popular right now and it's the only RPG game in town with any recognizable local presence at their FLGS beyond MtG or wargaming. Pathfinder isn't found at local stores in the way D&D is now. It's not because small numbers of convention attendees have dispersed to engender community. It's coming from the other direction... Take away: Please re-evaluate the relevance of those statistics because it feels (again--rightly or wrongly is irrelevant) a bit like trickle down theory from a certain perspective... 3) The difference between "house rule" and "rules adjudication" has been continually debated over and over and over again on Social Media channels. The problem isn't knowing what the difference is, the problem is clearly communicating that difference. And it has to be done over and over again as new DMs and players are presented with the difference in multi-various permutations whenever they have to debate who makes a rule or whether it exists whenever it comes up for the first time. Take away: It doesn't matter whether you [I]think[/I] you're being clear or the explanation is out there already in a million places. It's that very communication of the definition that is the heart of the quandary. If people aren't understanding what you're saying in the PG, it needs to be re-written or communicated in a way that [I]is[/I] understood (frankly, there are parts that read like stereo instructions...). And that needs to be communicated to whomever is doing that writing, because it seems the biggest hurdle of new participants isn't the rules themselves but developing the capacity to contextualize AL's approach to the rules. On a side note, Tia, I think you may be being a bit "combatant"... You're accusing the Admins of being condescending and applying motives, but you're likewise doing so and reading into their statements as well... It's clear everyone's passionate about how they spend their precious spare time (and for some it could be argued it's even a quality of life issue). There's other headaches we could have with better benefits, but we all love this particular headache. It's bound to get better as kinks are worked out. [/QUOTE]
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