D&D 4E Scale and facing in 4e?

[smetzger]

The big question I have is will scale and facing be the same in 4e as 3.5e?

Anyone know if these will change in 4e?

 

[Khairn]

Very good question. I haven't heard a thing about that.

 

[Festivus]

Funny you mention that... I had implied facing when they decribed that combat with the dragon.

 

[Remathilis]

"facing" has always been implied by dragons. Its the nature of fighting a monster with a tail sweep and wing buffets.

I suspect though, the face/reach of most monsters will be the same. I can't think of a similar system to use.

Plus, Deserts of Desolation (the DDM next line) will be 3.5/4e compatible, and I can't see them changing the scale of the minis and still keep DoD "DDM 2.0/4e" compatible.

 

[Mouseferatu]

I desperately do not want to see facing brought into 4E. It's an added level of complexity that I believe the game neither wants nor needs, and it's yet another obstacle for those who prefer to play without minis.

 

[Crashy75]

There was also mention of the word "backstab" which seems to imply facing. I can't remember where. I think it was on one of the blogs. I'm not too keen on the idea.

 

[Cabled]

There was also mention of the word "backstab" which seems to imply facing. I can't remember where. I think it was on one of the blogs. I'm not too keen on the idea.

That might just be an old-timer referring to sneak attack though. In previous editions the equivalent was backstab, and sneak attack is still referred to as backstab in our group. We're likely not alone.

 

[Crashy75]

That might just be an old-timer referring to sneak attack though. In previous editions the equivalent was backstab, and sneak attack is still referred to as backstab in our group. We're likely not alone.

Yeah, I know. I"m an old timer as well. I don't miss sneak attack. At all.
EDIT: And I never made that mistake but perhaps it's because I liked sneak attack so much better.

 

[smetzger]

Funny you mention that... I had implied facing when they decribed that combat with the dragon.

Actually what I meant by facing was the amount of 'space' a creature used for combat.

 

[Andor]

I desperately do not want to see facing brought into 4E. It's an added level of complexity that I believe the game neither wants nor needs, and it's yet another obstacle for those who prefer to play without minis.

I gotta disagree with you there. I never found facing complex, nor have I ever met anyone who thought it was too complex. The usual complaints about facing that I recall were always along the lines of "Why the hell can't I turn to face him for a freaking minuete!?!" And I think the concept of the immediate action solves that problem neatly. "Any time a new opponent threatens your space in melee you may take an immediate action to change your facing." Well... immediate actions and the fact that the 1 min combat round is dead and buried.

Does anyone think that's too complex?