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I agree about page 8. It was one of the pictures that made me do a double-take. AWESOME, and a perfect embodiment of the height of asaatth civilization.

I also liked the various breeds pic on p 59, and the city pic on 44.

The prestige illos are great, too. I agree. ;)

As for breaking down... I was tempted, but I have other stuff to deal with. I'm still waiting for Blood Sea, too.

Very happy with the book, though as always I'm critical of my writing. Ah well.
 

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You guys did a great job on the book. I loved every aspect of it. I'll make sure how ever to include your notes Will.


Mark,

This is where I think we tend to have trouble in terms of how do you define alignment. Is it rigid or flexible? That's the kind of trouble some people get, especially when dealing with a class like Paladin and who they can worship. I will state I still don't agree with a bunch of paladins worshipping Sune, not just for alignment reasons, but mostly because I don't see beauty as something paladins always strive for. Secondly why do we need an ELVEN god of anything? I mean if you're an elf why should your god of death be any different than an Orc god? This is another reason I prefer non-racially aligned deities and just have one deity for each race as a paragon representive of that race. Now that might seem awkward, but all I'm saying is let's have a paragon god of that race and not a bunch of rehashed deities for each race. I know the old elf in a human suit is old but seems to me if a god can transcend race, like Paladine does in DL, there's not a need for racial deities of other aspects.
 

CRGreathouse said:
It doesn't have to be that way. In the pantheon I'm using for my homebrew world, the featured CN god is the god of darkness; he's nonconfrontational and quite the diplomat. There's no aspect of trickery there. The closest I have to a 'judge' deity is my LE god of truth and vengeance; I have paladins of LN and NG deities almost as often as LG.

To clarify, my point was not that paladins should only be able to worship LG gods, but that if a pantheon has a God of Paladins, that god should be LG.

CRGreathouse said:
Why is this a good thing?


By making the aspects of Commerce and Constructing fall under the purview of the LN Judge-type, one adds layers of complexity to the deity, and thereby make the deity more complex and therefore more interesting.

Ex. who does the deity favor when builders and traders come into conflict?

If one has multiple deities (such as the CN deities in your home-brew) then obviously not all of them can be defined by their alignments. However, if one only has a single god for each alignment, then I believe the quientessential nature of that alignment should be heavily featured in the deity’s personality. Otherwise you end up with the only LG deity not caring about paladin’s good deeds, because his main aspect is being the God of Courtly Love.


CRGreathouse said:
This sort of thinking is what I have a problem with. Another CN deity in my world is Ethi, goddess of beauty, the sky, birds, and air. She's not defined by chaos in any way; she's defined by a love of beauty both natural and artificial. She just 'happens' to be chaotic.

It doesn't have to be that way for all the gods, but why should *all* of the gods be defined by their alignment? I prefer to have most defined by other charactaristics... having 'incidental' alignments, if you will.

I don’t understand what you mean about your god Ethi and incidental alignments. If she’s not defined by Chaos in any way, then why does she just happen to be CN?

I would expect her to be True Neutral: she doesn’t have a preference for Law or Chaos, the issue just doesn’t concern her. If her alignment includes Chaos, I would expect her to express a preference for anarchy over order.
 

Tales of the Asaatthi

For the curious, here is some 'in character' material I had to cut from my draft of Asaatthi because of room. Again, unofficial, but maybe people will find it interesting:

We are in every part Mormo, her ultimate expression.
Guts twine and knot as tangles of love, vessels threading to each extremity.
Our thoughts maze through arch constructions, our works spiral and define the land.
So perfect in form, each a reflection of the next, and of the whole.
— Observations, Potentiate of the Fourth Arch, from the Records of Hllssesch, possibly dating from the Epoch of Mormo.

The human lies before me, verminous and foetid as sickly prey.
Something fit for the waste-house, an assault to the senses.
It will repay this crime, tonight.
— Private notes of Ssekam, third Periapt Adept of the Green Circle, Lost City.

Fifteen windings are birds in flight, when I last beheld the silent mountain.
A hundred emeralds march across my breast, valiant soldiers under my command.
Brown feathers, the lowlands of my ancestors.
There is a spot of black mud, casually placed on my hand.
It does not do to claim perfection.
— Section 1.a09, tablet uncovered near the Lost City, possibly late Epoch of Mormo.

Six is the perfect number. It is the body. It is the embrace of the mother. Slaves are a dim reflection of our perfection, yet they are harmonious. Five is the number of humans, unclean, incomplete. To behead is to utterly revile the body, a punishment only fit for slaves.
— Dictates of Master Hrssupep, possibly from the late Epoch of Gulaben.

From warmth to cold I came, frantically clutching those near, hunting for comfort. Through the days I thread, always yearning for warmth.
From warmth to cold I shall come, clutching to the fading embers of my days. I will twist around the wooden bodies below, searching for warmth forever.
— Fifth quatrain, Tablet 310 of the Mrrrsilsh Tablets, tentatively dated to the final days of the Great Cataclysm. Most of these mithril tablets have been melted down over the centuries.

Darkness, cold, limbs, root.
The green fire has leapt from the tree. I am consumed.
Tail, limbs, warmth, darkness.
— Love poems of the Reshesshes, from the Ssels Dynasty near the beginning of the Age of Lethene.

The world crushes down on me, piercing skin with thirsty knives. I coil in the chamber, staring up at the hateful world, while my babies dream. I can feel them, each squirming innocent in its warm cell. My heat feeds them, my back cold against the land's hunger.
Each a sacrifice to the spite of the world. I would save them if I could, smash them on the rocks, let their dreams scatter back to the winds. But I cannot. The weight of eons demands I continue this charade. I feed them, prepare their sacrifice to the terrible world.
One day my dreams will pass and my burden will end.
— A Mother's Song, from the Paashetet Records, Uhullhe Dynasty of the late Epoch of Lethene.

Sleek youth, eyes burning amber, spies my power.
I guide, I shape, I mold.
And, anon... youth will age, quicken. And anon, perhaps I shall coil.
Guide, shape, mold.
All for the good of the race.
— Love Poems of the Reshesshes, from the Ssels Dynasty near the beginning of the Age of Lethene.

My teeth are at your throat.
Your claws are at my belly.
This gem catches a different light now.
— Five Stories from the Lake, stone tablets uncovered from the Lost City of Asaatthi.

Bright moon mocking.
The room is there still, the carvings upon the wall, the glittering gold and obsidian.
Only I have gone.
The wind gathers up her children.
— Second quatrain, Tablet 192 of the Mrrrsilsh Tablets, tentatively dated to the final days of the Great Cataclysm.

A fiery leaf spinning. The sun yields no heat to me. At its heart, I see hungry ice.
The peace I dreamt of slips, I cannot help but beg, one more hour! I am spinning.
— Stanza 8, 36 Dreams of Suhusslul, from the Scharassh Dynasty, early Epoch of Lethene.

Fire is eternal, shaping and creating all things. All things are fire.
Flame is the mate of stone, the two spinning and weaving existence. All things are flame and stone.
Generative fire is communicated in the tension between these contradictory truths, as diagrammed below.
— Fourth section of Beginning Fire Magics, Letters on Elemental Arcana, dating to the fifth Ssopatsh Dynasty in the late Epoch of Mormo.

Mother came down from the stars, twining round each of us.
To the swamp-dwellers, she gave her jeweled eyes to live in.
For the river-folk, she spat out broad serpentine waters.
For the desert-dwellers, her sleeping sands to care for.
For the clever ones, she cast out her gaze, and wherever it landed, it was theirs.
And us, we misborn, we twisted memories of her beauty. We get the rest.
— Tales of the Misbred.
 


Parlan said:
By making the aspects of Commerce and Constructing fall under the purview of the LN Judge-type, one adds layers of complexity to the deity, and thereby make the deity more complex and therefore more interesting.

Ex. who does the deity favor when builders and traders come into conflict?

If one has multiple deities (such as the CN deities in your home-brew) then obviously not all of them can be defined by their alignments. However, if one only has a single god for each alignment, then I believe the quientessential nature of that alignment should be heavily featured in the deity’s personality. Otherwise you end up with the only LG deity not caring about paladin’s good deeds, because his main aspect is being the God of Courtly Love.

OK, then I agree with the added interest part -- but I don't see why the alignment has to back it. Why can't be an interesting god of builders and traders without the whole heavyhanded alignment overlay?

(This may be getting circular; you need not respond. I'm not trying to be inflamitory, really!)

Parlan said:
I don’t understand what you mean about your god Ethi and incidental alignments. If she’s not defined by Chaos in any way, then why does she just happen to be CN?

I would expect her to be True Neutral: she doesn’t have a preference for Law or Chaos, the issue just doesn’t concern her. If her alignment includes Chaos, I would expect her to express a preference for anarchy over order.

She's the ultimate free spirit. She drifts from interest to interest, from project to project. She's very chaotic. She doesn't preach chaos, though; her dogma dosn't include anything of the sort. She just can't stand to be the same from moment to moment -- much too dull for her. She has many chaotic worshippers, but they're emulating her, not following her precepts in so being.

By contrast, the NG goddess of woodlands preaches good, and her clergy tell of the superiority of good over evil. It's an issue for their preiesthood, but not for Ethi's.
 

*is really enjoying this debate* My only comment is that building tends to be organized. And therefore they favor some kind of order and discipline into that.
 

Well Fevil was kind enough to tell me something about Echoes of the Past. Apparently the book does indeed cover the beginnings of the Slacerians and apparently stats them out. More details will follow.
 

There is no stat-block for them, rather they have their own Racial description and abilities.
In other words, they are being touted as a possible PC race.

For those of you that don't mind possible Meta-plots and having the mysteriousness taken away frm them, then I suggest getting it, as it's quite well done.
 

After perusing it myself, I have to agree and apologise to Fevil. He is correct, there are NO stat blocks, just the usual racial mods. My opinion on the matter (and Fevil can correct me if I misread it) is that you can use these on existing PCs in terms of altering them into Slacerians.

Also the appendix section has very nice details on how to incorperate existing Psi-PHB (3.0) prestige classes into the Scarred Lands. That plus some rather interesting monsters as well as Mindscapes make for a great Psionic driven campaign. Course the mysteriousness is taken away as Fevil said. But I do feel it can be kept so long as you limit such knowledge to those that are psionic in nature. That's my advice.
 

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