Knightfall
World of Kulan DM
i think this is the only Scarred Lands reference available for 4e...
Creature Collection - A Compendium of 4th Edition Monstrous Foes - Fiery Dragon | EN World PDF Store
Scarred Lands: Best Books?
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Creature Collection - A Compendium of 4th Edition Monstrous Foes - Fiery Dragon | EN World PDF Store
Paul_Klein
Explorer
At this point, a fully fledged 4E Scarred Lands may very well be too little too late.
No idea how receptive the market is to a Pathfinder update of Scarred Lands.
catsclaw227
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I'd love to see a 4e Scarred Lands.
Does anyone know where the licensing rights sit? Does Fiery Dragon have some control over the SL IP.
Same here, but I don't think it will happen.
EDIT: In hindsight, there could have been a chance to possibly revive Scarred Lands for 4E, back in mid-late 2008. But with nothing else released besides the 4E Creature Collection, I'm not holding out much hope for any future 4E Scarred Land titles in 2010.
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catsclaw227
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Here's a quote from James (Fiery Dragon) regarding SL 4e.
http://www.enworld.org/forum/genera...carred-lands-d-d-4th-edition.html#post4906467
http://www.enworld.org/forum/genera...carred-lands-d-d-4th-edition.html#post4906467
Fiery_Dragon said:
Thank you for "humungous".
The only 4E product I am aware of, is Creature Collection (4E) by Fiery Dragon Games.
While it's a valiant effort to bring back the setting, it does appear to be somewhat inappropriate.
Creature Collection competes against probably the easiest to convert aspect of the setting. Strength of 4E monster statistics lies in the ease of their generation due to firmly set creation guidelines and multiple base creatures available from 4E MM.
On the other hands, magic of Relics and Rituals (the upcoming product) will have to be recreated instead of converted due to extreme differences between systems. Lots of work, and this time Fiery Dragon Games need to somehow win against DDI (character generator, quite likely to lack support for R&R) and PHB series.
My preference would be for FDG to work with something which cannot be replicated nor subjugated by WotC products - the setting itself. There are no dedicated adventures, there is a lot of undeveloped material scattered among books. Even if FDG took the dreaded approach of "three books to kill a setting" (the way WotC killed 4E Forgotten Realms [1]), and sifted through sources to produce a compilation, they would have probably stood a much better chance to win over SL fans (carrying 20 books to sessions is tiresome).
Sadly, at this moment, and given lack of 4E fan material [2], I think we need to wait for FDG to either change their approach and go for less system specific products (hardly possible, given the high probability of Clark Petersen being right about GSL license known also as "kill this OGL product line" license [3]), or wait for FDG license to expire and hope for another company to try their luck.
Personally, I strongly blame White Wolf Games Studio [5] for this mismanagement - they preferred to sit tightly on their licenses, cut off fan support [4] and then handed the license out without paying attention to GSL. I consider FDG to be simply doing their best under rather difficult circumstances.
Please note that use of "mismanagement by White Wolf Games Studio" does not extend to developers and authors of Scarred Lands books - developers, editors and authors have my utmost respect. While the d20 mechanics were not their forte, they were able to deliver astonishing amount of strong material, organize Open Call initiatives, provide online contact and support community.
Still, my campaign has been going strong for the last 8 years, I have a warm satisfaction that one of my players was an author of Spiderweb Mummy (CC3) and is listed in author credits, finally that I have been able to help a little with Strange Tribes near the end of line.
Regards,
Ruemere
[1] To me, survival of a system is based on the dedication of fanbase. 4E Forgotten Realms failed to produce dedicated communities. Hence rather strong term "kill". It's not like the 4E version is out of the picture. It is however alone, unsupported and in the dark with regard to its future. Oh, and its pretty divorced from its roots, so it is difficult to find material to fall back on.
[2] See [1]. Scarred Lands (4E or otherwise) without a community to support it is likely to go the way of 4E FR.
[3] GSL is a killer license for OGL product lines. Unless it is somehow reinterpreted (or changed), existence of 4E CC or R&R means that there can be no further OGL editions of these two.
[4] Cutting off fan support: removal of Sword and Sorcery Studio forums (the current stub does not really count as SSS forum), removal of SSS downloads (probably because of GSL), refusal or ignoring of fan initiatives.
During my PCGen days, I was one of the people who were coding every important player book for SL - sadly, beyond R&R, we have never received permission to include it in PCGen... my material for Ghelspad (languages and region feats), Termana (languages, new races) and class handbooks (feats mostly, I never found the time to do anything beyond them) were simply mine to keep and maintain for my personal use.
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About campaign:
Currently using Pathfinder rules. Each player was allowed to keep two rule-based advantages from SL books (spells, feats, etc). Otherwise, R&R stuff (and similar) are no longer allowed to be used (mainly to spare me carrying things, but in some cases to avoid balance issues).
Monsters are usually converted using nearest lookalike as basis and monster creation rules for Pathfinder. Should there was a Creature Collection for PFRPG (or Tome of Horrors), I would have bought it straight away. While CCs contained a lot of monkeys (furry humanoids with long arms) and Blood <insert random name here>, they also had thingies like Morgaunts (Aliens meet Zombies), Murdersprites (Hellboy 2 killer sprites), Wrack Dragons (semiartificial living killer machines shaped like dragons), Jack of Tears (the ultimate harlequin from somewhere beyond hell) and many more.
Regards,
Ruemere
Currently using Pathfinder rules. Each player was allowed to keep two rule-based advantages from SL books (spells, feats, etc). Otherwise, R&R stuff (and similar) are no longer allowed to be used (mainly to spare me carrying things, but in some cases to avoid balance issues).
Monsters are usually converted using nearest lookalike as basis and monster creation rules for Pathfinder. Should there was a Creature Collection for PFRPG (or Tome of Horrors), I would have bought it straight away. While CCs contained a lot of monkeys (furry humanoids with long arms) and Blood <insert random name here>, they also had thingies like Morgaunts (Aliens meet Zombies), Murdersprites (Hellboy 2 killer sprites), Wrack Dragons (semiartificial living killer machines shaped like dragons), Jack of Tears (the ultimate harlequin from somewhere beyond hell) and many more.
Regards,
Ruemere
Psion
Adventurer
Indeed.
It's like a Setting Villain Sourcebook, describing what the major player are, their allies and plans. If you are robbing stats, it's not that great a sourcbook. But if you are actually going to RUN the game, I consider it indispensable.
Voadam
Legend
That got changed a while ago I thought. The GSL can still be changed at WotC's whim and the GSL stuff might have to go away, but I thought they dropped the part about agreeing not to ever publish OGL product lines in the last revision.
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