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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Al" data-source="post: 58355" data-attributes="member: 2486">Convoluted?It's not really very convoluted.  Simply put, if you roll a 9 or less, you count as having gotten 10.  The fancy wording is just to make it watertight for rules-lawyers and the like.Taking 10 before the skill roll seems pointless, as they can do this anyway.  If you simply waive the restriction under which they can/can't take 10, then as you say, this simply emulates Skill Mastery.Two rolls is an interesting alternative, but still doesn't eliminate the chance of disastrous cockups.</blockquote>