Setting Idea: Arcane Dyson Sphere

gyor

Adventurer
Themes are arcane dyson sphere, magical experimentation, occult alien abductions, and alternate possible histories. Races are all D&D races plus alien conspiracy races of Greys, Nordics, and Reptilians (maybe others later).

The idea is an alliance of multiverse traveling alien races, with extremely advanced technology discovers for first time that in some universes magic exists big time.

So they build a magical Dyson Sphere around a young sleeping Sun Titan to study magic isolated from the rest of the multiverse. Its basically a giant magical lab.

These alien races kidnapped entire civilizations from different universes, placed them carefully near other chosen civilizations in magically isolated regions called Labs to study both their interactions, but also the evolution of their magical technology.

A thousand years before the current year, a researcher revolted against her mission, told the test subjects that truth, who later called her a wise Prophet much to her horror. She also awakened the Sun Titan, who in revenge destroyed 90% of the alliances research bases on surface of the Arcane Dyson Sphere.

This caused the mystical barriers between Labs to fall, allowing isolated groups of civilizations to interact with the civilizations of other Labs.

The first civilizations to learn of the teachings of the Researcher turned reluctant Prophet shared the truth with other civilizations in other Labs.

It was only the intervention of the little Grey Prophet that stopped refugees from the surface of the Dyson Sphere from being slaughtered for millenia of twisted experiments on the experimental races in test facilities called Dungeons.

The races are in addition to the usual elf, dwarf, human, halfling, tiefling, gnome, halforc, Dragonborn, aasimar, ect... the four alien alliance races (all taken from Alien Conspiracy theories) the Greys, the Reptilians, the Nordics, and the Men in Black.

In the first world, the place were the Researcher Prophet began teaching the truth, the different civilizations are still trying to cope with the truth.

This world, which is a small moon made up of four labs, each with 3 civilizations of test subjects in it, was originally only human civilizations until researchers abducted 25% of the population to alter their reproductive organs, so that they'd give birth to none human races. They then used magitech to send false visions to the populations telling them that this was an act of the Gods.

On this world the first lab was designed to study the effects of multiculturalism on magic by kidnapping ancient multicultural civilizations from universes with alternate histories.

the second lab studied exotic forms of democracy.

The third lab studied how magic evolves in athiestic civilizations.

And the fourth studied Theocracies and their effect on magic.

In what had been the first lab, the civilizations are Neo Ebla, a Canaanite civilization which was kidnapped from a universe where Ebla defeated the Hitittes and absord their culture into Ebla's own multicultural system, instead of being destroyed.

Then there was the New Ptolemic Civilization, in from a universe where the Cleopatra and her son defeated Rome and absord some of it's institutions such as the senate.

And lastly the Kushite Kingdom stolen from a Universe where they conquered all of India.

The second lab, the one with the exotic forms of democracy had the Kingdom of Chains from a universe where BDSM got blended with democracy. In this civilization only Submissives get a vote, and only Doms can run for office, including being elected King for a decade long term.

In the second civilization, its fiends and angels who run for office, with citizens magically summoning the winners for 4 year terms. The fiends and celestials campaign by sending voting citizens dreams making their case for why they should serve. The Fiends and Celestials running were originally fake beings manufactured and controlled by the Grey's, but since the Prophet ended the experiment, real Celestials and Fiends have been elected.

And last civilization, a telepathic direct democracy. A Giant Floating Brain called the President reads the minds of the citizens on proposed bills and the majority of citizens desides if the bill passes or gets discarded. The President makes no choices itself, it just counts the votes and telepathically announces the results. The President is uncorruptable so far, although many attempts have been made, leading executions of conspirators. Anyone can propose a bill to the President, who then puts it to a telepathic city wide vote. The Greys and the Nordics made the President, but made it so that even they can't tamper with it, as that would undermine the experiment.
 
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Living inside a hollow sphere isn't a new idea in fantasy. Nehwon (Fritz Leiber) is this kind of world, as is the world of Game of Thrones.
 

Leatherhead

Possibly a Idiot.
Why are we assuming that they are living inside the sphere?

Having a magical power source deep underground is very common. In fact, just make the planet core some magical thing!

Then you can have the Dungeons function as "mineshafts", which adventurers delve into in order to tap more directly into this magical font of power for loot and power. The Lower you go in a Dungeon, the worse it gets, but also the greater the reward.
 

Ragmon

Explorer
As an idea source I would like to point you towards Blame! (Manga). Its worth the read, cause it introduces you to the sheer scale of such a world, and the diverse areas it has within it.

The sphere is approximately: from Earth to at least Jupiter's planetary orbit (for a radius of around 5.2 AU, or 778,547,200 km).

If you wanna go for something really insane. Maybe having immortal characters is a good idea, you know, so they can really explore the place. :)
 
But how would you have night time inside a hollow sphere?
There is a couple of ways to achieve that, and I don't remember if they discussed it in the video about the GoT credit sequence. The actual credit sequence itself suggests the Sun is occluded, but that could be artistic licence. They do allude to the hollow sphere nature of the world being connected to the long variable length winters. I only got about a third of the way through the first book, so I don't know if the novels address cosmology at all - I suspect they don't. Of course it might be that the Magisters believe they live inside a hollow sphere, but are mistaken.

Apart from occlusion, the other method is solar variability. The Sun simply goes dim for half of every 24 hours. That would certainly explain the wonky seasons.
 

Zardnaar

Hero
It's a globe apparently according to GRR Martin. The title sequence is just to look cool. TV show also has comets.
 
It's a globe apparently according to GRR Martin. The title sequence is just to look cool. TV show also has comets.
It could still be a globe, and have the people living on the inside (or both inside and outside). There are alternative ways to explain comets. "A ball of ice falling through space" is only a modern one (and wouldn't explain why the one in GoT is red).

I believe the hollow sphere globe does actually appear in background shots in the Magister's hall as well as in the credit sequence.

But GRRM's world does understand the difference between what is true, and what people believe, and takes a "neither confirm nor deny" approach.
 
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mach1.9pants

Adventurer
Nah it was just what the title creator did to make it look cool, GRRM has specific called it as an alternative earth

"In the beginning, it was very simple, nothing animating and everything very flat. One of the things we realized early on was that you couldn’t really tilt the camera up very far because it raised the question, what’s beyond the map? (…) The fact that I wanted to be able to move the camera anywhere led us to the fact that this whole world had to exist on the inside of a sphere, which took us a while to figure out. (…) If you have a whole world inside a sphere, what would be in the middle of that sphere? The sun! Or whatever the light source of this world is."

GRRM
"This may be a silly question, but: When you think of the world you’ve created, where seasons last for years, where is it? It is another planet?

It’s what Tolkien wrote was “the secondary world.” It’s not another planet. It’s Earth. But it’s not our Earth. If you wanted to do a science fiction approach, you could call it an alternate world, but that sounds too science fictional. Tolkien really pioneered that with Middle Earth. He put in some vague things about tying it to our past, but that doesn’t really hold up. I have people constantly writing me with science fiction theories about the seasons — “It’s a double star system with a black dwarf and that would explain–” It’s fantasy, man, it’s magic."

"3) Is your world round. I mean if Dany traveled far enough east couldnt she come to the other side of westeros?

Yes, the world is round. Might be a little larger than ours, though. I was thinking more like Vance's Big Planet.... but don't hold me to that."
 

gyor

Adventurer
The civilizations exist within the Dyon Sphere, and originally the internal surface where the Greys, Nordics, and Reptilians dwelled to study the test subjects was disguised as a night sky.

This allows you to add say worlds as you want to the setting. I've started off with one. Themes are magical experimentation, occult alien abductions, and alternate history.
 

gyor

Adventurer
But how would you have night time inside a hollow sphere?
In this setting people leave on planets and moons within the Dyson Sphere. It's not a Hollow Earth setting, a Dyson Sphere is the size of a solar system in this case with hundreds of inhabited planets and moons inside.
 

Derren

Adventurer
In this setting people leave on planets and moons within the Dyson Sphere. It's not a Hollow Earth setting, a Dyson Sphere is the size of a solar system in this case with hundreds of inhabited planets and moons inside.
So when you have normal planets, why all this backstory with the dyson sphere?
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Living inside a hollow sphere isn't a new idea in fantasy. Nehwon (Fritz Leiber) is this kind of world, as is the world of Game of Thrones.
I think you are incorrect on both counts. Where, for example, did you find that Nehwon is such a world?
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
The idea is an alliance of multiverse traveling alien races, with extremely advanced technology discovers for first time that in some universes magic exists big time.

So they build a magical Dyson Sphere around a young sleeping Sun Titan to study magic isolated from the rest of the multiverse. Its basically a giant magical lab.
Wait a minute. They have magic enough to build a "magical Dyson sphere"... a magical structure that engulfs an entire star, but need to study magic?

This idea hangs together much better if the Sphere itself is not magical at all. Tech aliens may need to study magic. Magic aliens, not so much.

Also, if you haven't, go read Larry Niven's novel Ringworld. It doesn't bother with an entire sphere, but uses a ring, which is plenty big enough. The point of a Dyson sphere is to catch all the radiation output of a star for your civilization to use. If you're not doing that, the entire sphere simply isn't necessary.
 
I think you are incorrect on both counts. Where, for example, did you find that Nehwon is such a world?
In one of the stories (I think it might have been "Trapped in the Sea of Stars") Fafhrd and the Mouser go on a long sea voyage to the other side of the world, where they realise that the "stars" are the lights of cities on the other side of the sphere, and waterspouts they encounter actually support planets an other heavenly bodies.
 
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