The spell shades (the better version of Shadow Conjuration) says it can mimic any conjuration spell of 5th level or lower. Also its component is only V and S, and the duration is not listed. Im assuming this means the componenets are V,S no matter what spell you mimic and that the duration depends upon the spell being mimiced. But then it occured to me how horribly this spell could be abused. Take for example, Leomund's Secure Chest. Normally it requires a ridiculously expensive component and focus (the chest). If i mimic it with shades, however, there is no need for that component, and it still has all the properties of the normal spell (including the duration). Any thoughts on this?
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Henrix
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I don't think you can make a working Leomunds Secret Chest with Shades.
What Leomunds Secret Chest does is not procure a chest, but hide it on the ethereal plane.
So, if you have a 5,000gp chest you would have a 60% chance of hiding it, and a 60% chance of retrieving it. And it would only store 60% of what a Secret Chest normally stores.
What Leomunds Secret Chest does is not procure a chest, but hide it on the ethereal plane.
So, if you have a 5,000gp chest you would have a 60% chance of hiding it, and a 60% chance of retrieving it. And it would only store 60% of what a Secret Chest normally stores.
Zhure
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Shades says, "as Shadow Conjurations."
...from Shadow Conjurations:
"Shadow objects or substances, such as obscuring mists, have normal effects except against those who disbelieve them. Against disbelievers, they are one-fifth strength or 20% likely to work. For instance, a shadow obscuring mist only provides one-half concealment at 25 feet, not 5 feet."
emphasis added
That being the case, I believe the hypothetical Shades created Leomunds Secret Chest would be 60% of volume, but not a 60% success rate. Certainly it'd be one or the other. It would probably also have a duration of 36 days instead of 60 days.
Since the target of the spell is the chest and it's not a focus, using Shades still means the caster would have to have a 5000 gp chest and a 50 gp replica.
Greg
...from Shadow Conjurations:
"Shadow objects or substances, such as obscuring mists, have normal effects except against those who disbelieve them. Against disbelievers, they are one-fifth strength or 20% likely to work. For instance, a shadow obscuring mist only provides one-half concealment at 25 feet, not 5 feet."
emphasis added
That being the case, I believe the hypothetical Shades created Leomunds Secret Chest would be 60% of volume, but not a 60% success rate. Certainly it'd be one or the other. It would probably also have a duration of 36 days instead of 60 days.
Since the target of the spell is the chest and it's not a focus, using Shades still means the caster would have to have a 5000 gp chest and a 50 gp replica.
Greg
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