Shadow Conjuration 101?

[Archade]

Hey all,

I'm looking at taking Shadow Conjuration for my character, and our campaign has never worked with the spell before. So I have a few questions...

If I use Shadow Conjuration to duplicate Glitterdust, the target gets a Will save to disbelieve and then a Will save for blindness. If the target disbelieves, is there only a 20% chance they have to make a save to avoid blindness? Do PCs have to make Will saves to disblieve, or not see the glittering?

If I use Shadow Conjuration to duplicate Shadow Steed, the caster automatically knows its an illusion, does that mean there is only a 20% chance he can ride it?

If I use Shadow Conjuration to duplicate Summon Monster III to summon 1d3 Fiendish Wolves, enemies will get a Will save when they get hit by a creature. Do they get a new save each time a new Fiendish Wolf hits them?

Thanks guys!

 

[pawsplay]

Hey all,

I'm looking at taking Shadow Conjuration for my character, and our campaign has never worked with the spell before. So I have a few questions...

If I use Shadow Conjuration to duplicate Glitterdust, the target gets a Will save to disbelieve and then a Will save for blindness. If the target disbelieves, is there only a 20% chance they have to make a save to avoid blindness?

Yes.

Do PCs have to make Will saves to disblieve, or not see the glittering?

No, but they have every reason to do. If you disbelieve a quasireal illusion, you can tell it's an illusion.

A creature that succeeds on its save sees the shadow conjurations as transparent images superimposed on vague, shadowy forms.

If I use Shadow Conjuration to duplicate Shadow Steed, the caster automatically knows its an illusion, does that mean there is only a 20% chance he can ride it?

No. Unless it attempts to lethally be ridden. It has the same Str as, well, but only 20% the hit points and a reduced armor class.

If I use Shadow Conjuration to duplicate Summon Monster III to summon 1d3 Fiendish Wolves, enemies will get a Will save when they get hit by a creature. Do they get a new save each time a new Fiendish Wolf hits them?

Thanks guys!

No. You may save against each spell only once unless the spell contains special provisions. You gain a save at +4 if someone disbelieves and communicates this fact to you. Otherwise, fighting with the conjuration counts as interacting, entitling you to one saving throw.

 

[Thanee]

Yes, you first make the saving throw against the illusion, then any saving throw required for the spell in question. Since Glitterdust is a non-damaging effect, the effect (blindness, etc) will only have a 20% chance to happen, if the Will save is made. I would probably rule, that the spell does cancel invisibility either way, not just with 20% likelihood, though.

While there are some people who say, that you do not automatically disbelieve your own illusions, and that you can simply forego the saving throw and thus gain the full effect, I think that's completely silly and would always count yourself as if you had made the save. A Phantom Steed is a conjured being and would be statted accordingly. Not such a big difference, actually.

I don't think you get a new saving throw unless something happens, that gives you a new perspective (like someone telling you it's an illusion).

Bye
Thanee

 

[Dracandross]

While there are some people who say, that you do not automatically disbelieve your own illusions, and that you can simply forego the saving throw and thus gain the full effect, I think that's completely silly and would always count yourself as if you had made the save. A Phantom Steed is a conjured being and would be statted accordingly. Not such a big difference, actually.

Thanee

Well, that's not so easy. If you are capable of doing illusions it doesnt mean you know they are not 'real'. You might just know that they affect some more and some less, and thats phenomenon called 'illusion' even it is very real to you. Also when considering shadow conjuration/evocation it could just mean it affects someway different than it's normally magic effects are understod and thats why only 1/5th are affected fully.

Id say it's Ok to force caster make his save but it's not to make him succeed if he wants to believe it. Also if caster wants to succeed on save he should do it anyway.

-Dracandross

 

[Archade]

Next question -- if your gaming group uses other source books for spells, should Shadow Conjuration be able to freely copy any spell from those sources?

 

[pawsplay]

They should be allowed to copy any qualifying spells that are allowed, I think.

 

[RigaMortus2]

Here is a handy link on a nice Shadowcraft Mage build


http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=290914