Shadow Conjuration

[Plane Sailing]

That would be my initial inclination too. But what about something like, I don't know, a light spell? Doesn't only affect you ... so people who believe the illusion can see better than people who don't? Or here's a good one ... you summon something with the ability to gate in other creatures ... how does that work out?

I think you were a bit snippy with Shilsen, who was only taking care to point out a little-noticed change in 3.5e rules for you. I think you will find that no summoned creatures can summon anything else, there are no creatures that can gate stuff without having access to 9th level spells (and no spells to summon them) and planar ally/planar binding are conjuration(calling) so they cannot be duplicated.

So I don't think you have to worry about reduced capacity versions of those kind of powers.

What you MIGHT want to worry about is if a greater shadow conjuration is used to summon a shadow chaos beast and it successfully turns someone else into a chaos beast... are they a shadow chaos beast or a full-on chaos beast?


BTW, I think the simple rule of thumb is to allow anything created by the spell to have basically 1/5th capacity of the normal one. The spell already gives fantastic benefits in terms of flexibility anyway.

 

[James McMurray]

The spell is pretty straightforward. Any abilities that do not deal damage are only 20% likely to work. If a Chaos Beast changes someone that knows it is mostly an illusion into a Chaos Best, there is a 20% chance that it functions. If you roll a 20 or less on percentile dice, the poor guy is a full chaos beast. If you roll 21+, he's still himself.

For light: anyone believing it sees fine. Anyone disbelieving it has a 20% chance to be able to see normally.

 

[Hypersmurf]

I think you were a bit snippy with Shilsen...

Yup.

Julia - threads wander. Don't take it personally when someone takes a tangent on your question... in all likelihood, someone else will answer what you were asking.

Demanding people stay 'on-topic' just makes those someone elses less-inclined to help.

By all means, nudge people back on track... but please, no shoving.

I've found you pick up as much useful information from the tangents as you do from the main thread... even if it's not information that's immediately applicable to your game.

-Hyp.
(Moderator)

 

[shilsen]

Ok, that was a completely silly and useless response. If you read my post it should be quite clear that that was a random example and nothing to do with the point of my question.

Pick some random non-targeting ability *like* teleport. How about the magically ability to make your nose pink, whatever. Try and think a little before posting something like this.

Considering that you ended your post with: "Back to the teleport issue ... it's in a crowd of people half belive half don't ... is does this affect it's teleport chance of success? Uh, what?", I figured you were specifically focusing on this area. And as Plane Sailing correctly mentioned, I just brought up a rule change in the 3.5 conversion that many people have missed.

No harm done, right?