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<blockquote data-quote="GlassJaw" data-source="post: 3597458" data-attributes="member: 22103">I have quite a bit of experience with SR 1-3 (especially 3) and from what I've seen, people who play/played SR3 fell into 2 camps: those that were uber-hardcore about every rulebook, number, tweak, mechanic, etc and those that played more fast and loose with the rules.The games I played in were definitely the latter, which is probably why we like SR4.&nbsp; Our games were a bit more focused towards story and investigation but we certainly enjoyed a good firefight as well.For the hardcore Shadowrun rules junky, I can understand the feeling that things were &quot;taken away&quot;.&nbsp; For me, I welcomed the rules &quot;cleanup&quot;.&nbsp; We could still tell the exact same stories with the same level of immersion and our characters could do everything in SR4 that they did with SR3 except it was easier and the rules made sense.&nbsp; This is how I would define &quot;streamlined&quot;.Note that easier in this case does not mean &quot;dumbed down&quot;, &quot;limited in options&quot;, or not fun.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="GlassJaw, post: 3597458, member: 22103"] I have quite a bit of experience with SR 1-3 (especially 3) and from what I've seen, people who play/played SR3 fell into 2 camps: those that were uber-hardcore about every rulebook, number, tweak, mechanic, etc and those that played more fast and loose with the rules. The games I played in were definitely the latter, which is probably why we like SR4. Our games were a bit more focused towards story and investigation but we certainly enjoyed a good firefight as well. For the hardcore Shadowrun rules junky, I can understand the feeling that things were "taken away". For me, I welcomed the rules "cleanup". We could still tell the exact same stories with the same level of immersion and our characters could do [I]everything [/I] in SR4 that they did with SR3 except it was [I]easier[/I] and the rules made sense. This is how I would define "streamlined". Note that easier in this case does not mean "dumbed down", "limited in options", or not fun. [/QUOTE]

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