Shaman Spirit - not very clear

[Istar]

Do you need line of sight to control it.

Our Shaman created it and then lost sight of it, so is the Spirit still controlled by him, obeying his last instruction, or can he give it new ones, see thru its eyes ?

 

[Bold or Stupid]

I'd say no line of sight needed, control still allowed, but not actually able to see what it sees.

 

[abyssaldeath]

You do not need line of sight to control any conjuration. Keep in mind thought that the when the Shaman makes an attack with a power that has the range of "spirit" then both line of effect and line of sight are drawn from the spirit companion. This does not give the Shaman the ability to see through the spirits eyes though.

 

[yesnomu]

Note that as a movable conjuration, if he ends his turn with no line of effect to the spirit, it vanishes.

 

[Istar]

Shaman must maintain line of affect to spirit but not line of sight, how can this be ?

Our shaman is new to 4e but we had a quick look and also couldnt find any mention of what the spirits defences are, is is the same as the shaman ?

The Scenario was that he could not get in the gatehouse so he created the spirit in one of the rooms through an arrow slit in the gatehouse, then the spirit was attacking the guards.

We assumed the shaman cannot see what the spirits see's, but can the spirit convey what is see's telepathically and does it need line of sight to do that if it can.

When new events unfolded, ie, new monsters we assumed the spirit carried on with its instructions based on what it saw.

But it did get a bit confusing.

 

[Aulirophile]

Shaman must maintain line of affect to spirit but not line of sight, how can this be ?

Our shaman is new to 4e but we had a quick look and also couldnt find any mention of what the spirits defences are, is is the same as the shaman ?

The Scenario was that he could not get in the gatehouse so he created the spirit in one of the rooms through an arrow slit in the gatehouse, then the spirit was attacking the guards.

We assumed the shaman cannot see what the spirits see's, but can the spirit convey what is see's telepathically and does it need line of sight to do that if it can.

When new events unfolded, ie, new monsters we assumed the spirit carried on with its instructions based on what it saw.

But it did get a bit confusing.

Just read this.

http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/22949629/Shaman_Spirit_Companion_FAQ

 

[Istar]

Just read this.

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cheers

 

[DracoSuave]

Shaman must maintain line of affect to spirit but not line of sight, how can this be ?

Cause you need to maintain effect and not stare at it?

Line of effect and line of sight aren't the same things. You can send your conjuration into total concealment just fine, it doesn't block your control beams or whatever you envision keeps it stable and active. But you can't plop it behind a forcefield, because you need to keep your control beams up. Or whatever you want to call it.

It's like a remote control car, you don't need to see it to make it go forward, but if the signal is blocked it doesn't go anywhere at all.

 

[Istar]

Cause you need to maintain effect and not stare at it?

Line of effect and line of sight aren't the same things. You can send your conjuration into total concealment just fine, it doesn't block your control beams or whatever you envision keeps it stable and active. But you can't plop it behind a forcefield, because you need to keep your control beams up. Or whatever you want to call it.

It's like a remote control car, you don't need to see it to make it go forward, but if the signal is blocked it doesn't go anywhere at all.

Our Shaman doesnt have a car ?

 

[firesnakearies]

It's like a remote control car, you don't need to see it to make it go forward, but if the signal is blocked it doesn't go anywhere at all.

This seems like a very good analogy to me.