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<blockquote data-quote="Pauln6" data-source="post: 9446125" data-attributes="member: 6777422"><p>Re basic manoeuvres. I couldn't find anything specific saying a bonus action attack could not be replaced with a basic manoeuvre. The rules do say that a basic manoeuvre 'replaces an attack made on your turn' which would seem to include bonus action attacks.</p><p></p><p>However, unlike overrun and tumble, shove and knockdown don't expressly mention using a bonus action. Is this because under normal circumstances you would not get a bonus action attack or is it an intentional omission? This would also mean that bonus action attacks from dual wielding also cannot push or knockdown.</p><p></p><p>I have noted that the Vengeful Protector feat DOES give weapon proficiency in shields. Also page 315 confirms that shields can be treated as rare weapons and you can train in their use in downtime.</p><p></p><p>Someone with more than one attack could do a knockdown attack with a shield, follow up with main weapon, and then a bonus action attack with the shield from defensive.</p><p></p><p>So, the next issue is when you attack with a shield, it is treated as an improvised weapon, and you can't get duelling +2 damage if your shield counts as a weapon.</p><p></p><p>The other issue is that the bonus action attack is not dual wielding and strength modifier would apply to damage.</p><p></p><p>There Is a lot to unpack here!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Pauln6, post: 9446125, member: 6777422"] Re basic manoeuvres. I couldn't find anything specific saying a bonus action attack could not be replaced with a basic manoeuvre. The rules do say that a basic manoeuvre 'replaces an attack made on your turn' which would seem to include bonus action attacks. However, unlike overrun and tumble, shove and knockdown don't expressly mention using a bonus action. Is this because under normal circumstances you would not get a bonus action attack or is it an intentional omission? This would also mean that bonus action attacks from dual wielding also cannot push or knockdown. I have noted that the Vengeful Protector feat DOES give weapon proficiency in shields. Also page 315 confirms that shields can be treated as rare weapons and you can train in their use in downtime. Someone with more than one attack could do a knockdown attack with a shield, follow up with main weapon, and then a bonus action attack with the shield from defensive. So, the next issue is when you attack with a shield, it is treated as an improvised weapon, and you can't get duelling +2 damage if your shield counts as a weapon. The other issue is that the bonus action attack is not dual wielding and strength modifier would apply to damage. There Is a lot to unpack here! [/QUOTE]
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