Shillelagh and quarterstaffs

[Lord Ben]

Only one end of the Qstaff becomes 1d10 right? Or would both ends get it? I was wondering for a druid with amb/twf.

 

[shadoe]

I think that only one end would get the effects since you have to enchant both ends of the quarterstaff seperately, but I don't know for sure.

 

[drowdude]

It affects both ends. It would specify otherwise if it were limited to one end per casting.

 

[Strider The Ranger]

I would think it would enchant both ends since the description says (and this is not a direct quote as i do not have the PHB handy) it enchants a quarterstaff or club. It does not say it enchants one end only.

 

[Caliban]

A quarterstaff is a double-ended weapon (it has two damage ratings seperated by a slash).

A shillelagh is not a double-ended weapon (it has a single damage rating).

The spell turns the quarterstaff into a Shillelagh.

 

[KarinsDad]

A quarterstaff is a double-ended weapon (it has two damage ratings seperated by a slash).

A shillelagh is not a double-ended weapon (it has a single damage rating).

The spell turns the quarterstaff into a Shillelagh.

Actually, it does not.

It turns the weapon into a +1 to hit, D10+1 damage weapon.

It does not change the other properties of the weapon. So, for a club, it is a single headed weapon. For a quarterstaff, it is a double headed weapon with these properties.

You cannot use the name of the spell to determine the effects, you must use the spell description.

 

[Artoomis]

A quarterstaff is a double-ended weapon (it has two damage ratings seperated by a slash).

A shillelagh is not a double-ended weapon (it has a single damage rating).

The spell turns the quarterstaff into a Shillelagh.

That's not what the spell says, but I like it. It's a very simple, rules-consistent way of looking at it.

 

[Caliban]

Actually, it does not.

It turns the weapon into a +1 to hit, D10+1 damage weapon.

It does not change the other properties of the weapon. So, for a club, it is a single headed weapon. For a quarterstaff, it is a double headed weapon with these properties.

You cannot use the name of the spell to determine the effects, you must use the spell description.

The spell turns it into a weapon with a single damage rating.

What you call the weapon is irrelevant.

 

[KarinsDad]

The spell turns it into a weapon with a single damage rating.

What you call the weapon is irrelevant.

I can understand how you could mistakenly infer that from the spell, but that would be invalid.

"The character's own oak cudgel or unshod quarterstaff becomes a weapon with a +1 enhancement bonus to attack and damage rolls that deals 1d10 points of damage (+1 point for the enhancement bonus) when the character wields it."

Note the word "rolls", not "roll". Any damage done by the weapon does D10+1, not just one end of it.

"A quarterstaff is a double weapon."

Nowhere in the spell does it state that the D10 can only be done once. Nowhere in the spell does it state that a quarterstaff will no longer be a double weapon, or that its size or shape will change.

Without the spell explicitly calling out that it changes the weapon from a double weapon to a single weapon, you cannot infer that it does because it states that the damage becomes D10+1.

Caveat: I am looking at the SRD for this. If the PHB has flavor text that states that it changes it from a double weapon to a single weapon, then I will agree with you.

 

[Caliban]

I can understand how you could mistakenly infer that from the spell, but that would be invalid.

Full of ourselves, aren't we?

"The character's own oak cudgel or unshod quarterstaff becomes a weapon with a +1 enhancement bonus to attack and damage rolls that deals 1d10 points of damage (+1 point for the enhancement bonus) when the character wields it."

Note the word "rolls", not "roll". Any damage done by the weapon does D10+1, not just one end of it.

I could see how you could mistakenly make that inference, but it is invalid. (Doesn't sound any better coming from me, does it?)

That is "rolls" as in "all damage rolls you make with the weapon over the duration of the spell." This has absolutely nothing to do with how many ends the weapon has, and is thus irrelevent to the discussion.

It explicitly states that the cudgel or quarterstaff becomes a weapon with a +1 bonus that does 1d10 damage. It is no longer a quarterstaff or cudgel, because it has become a different weapon. (Presumably called a shillelagh, but you seem to have a problem with calling it that.)

"A quarterstaff is a double weapon."

Nowhere in the spell does it state that the D10 can only be done once. Nowhere in the spell does it state that a quarterstaff will no longer be a double weapon, or that its size or shape will change.

Yes it does. It states that it turns it into a +1 weapon that does 1d10 damage.

It does not state that it turns it into a weapon that does 1d10/1d10 damage.

Therefore, by definition, it is not a double weapon.

Without the spell explicitly calling out that it changes the weapon from a double weapon to a single weapon, you cannot infer that it does because it states that the damage becomes D10+1.

It explicitly turns it into a weapon with a single damage rating, so that's exactly what it does.