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<blockquote data-quote="Cergorach" data-source="post: 9414823" data-attributes="member: 725"><p>But you don't have car mechanics, you have tank mechanics, because a Lada is supposedly built like a tank! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> But Ladas are known to be cheap and easy to work with.</p><p></p><p>There's a difference in income, hourly rates, car costs, car parts, and rules depending on location. There's a big difference between eastern and western Europe. I live in the Netherlands, even if it isn't in a city, land/house/business prices are very high! Hourly rates of experts are high and combine that with the amount of room a decent garage requires, combined hourly rates are high. Also a lot of our old second hand cars depart to eastern Europe, so old parts in junkyards isn't as great as one would expect, add again the cost of land and junkyard parts aren't exactly cheap either here. In our family cars were closer to 20 years when they were replaced, instead of 10 years. 2022 numbers say that cars in the EU where on average 12,3 years old, and in the Netherlands 11,7 years old.</p><p></p><p>Buying a €500 clunker for a car is going to give you issues unless you're very handy with cars, have access to a garage and have some nifty contacts... And even then, depending on how much time you spend on it, it's going to lose parts on the highway... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>I think the comparison between cars and computers has gone way beyond what's useful. The idea is that if you buy a crap car, don't expect to do 20 years with it, if you buy a crap computer, don't expect to do 10 years with it. Also, what are your expectations? Don't expect to run a modern 3D VTT on 10 year old laptop with integrated graphics.</p><p></p><p>Sidenote: A Mac Mini 2014 (almost 10 years old) is still supported by Apple (10 year life expectancy is pretty decent). Non-Mac PCs can live longer or shorter, depending on the hardware, the manufacturer and driver support. It also depends on whether or not the hardware is from before or after the 'threshold'. And if Windows no longer supports the hardware (via drivers), chances are that some Linux distribution does. But the average consumer+Linux doesn't really compute... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> Especially not with people that have so little interest in Tech that they have 10+ year old computers as their single main computer...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cergorach, post: 9414823, member: 725"] But you don't have car mechanics, you have tank mechanics, because a Lada is supposedly built like a tank! ;) But Ladas are known to be cheap and easy to work with. There's a difference in income, hourly rates, car costs, car parts, and rules depending on location. There's a big difference between eastern and western Europe. I live in the Netherlands, even if it isn't in a city, land/house/business prices are very high! Hourly rates of experts are high and combine that with the amount of room a decent garage requires, combined hourly rates are high. Also a lot of our old second hand cars depart to eastern Europe, so old parts in junkyards isn't as great as one would expect, add again the cost of land and junkyard parts aren't exactly cheap either here. In our family cars were closer to 20 years when they were replaced, instead of 10 years. 2022 numbers say that cars in the EU where on average 12,3 years old, and in the Netherlands 11,7 years old. Buying a €500 clunker for a car is going to give you issues unless you're very handy with cars, have access to a garage and have some nifty contacts... And even then, depending on how much time you spend on it, it's going to lose parts on the highway... ;) I think the comparison between cars and computers has gone way beyond what's useful. The idea is that if you buy a crap car, don't expect to do 20 years with it, if you buy a crap computer, don't expect to do 10 years with it. Also, what are your expectations? Don't expect to run a modern 3D VTT on 10 year old laptop with integrated graphics. Sidenote: A Mac Mini 2014 (almost 10 years old) is still supported by Apple (10 year life expectancy is pretty decent). Non-Mac PCs can live longer or shorter, depending on the hardware, the manufacturer and driver support. It also depends on whether or not the hardware is from before or after the 'threshold'. And if Windows no longer supports the hardware (via drivers), chances are that some Linux distribution does. But the average consumer+Linux doesn't really compute... ;) Especially not with people that have so little interest in Tech that they have 10+ year old computers as their single main computer... [/QUOTE]
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