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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8746308" data-attributes="member: 18">I mean, I have two games with Monks in right now. Both of them use Stunning Strike A LOT. Like, do they &quot;spam it&quot; by my normal definition of spam, i.e. use it every possible opportunity? No. Do they use it every possible sane opportunity when there's some kind of high-HD or otherwise threatening monster, especially a boss-type monster? Oh hell yeah.And 5E is designed around there not being skirmishers, and you can see this because Monks can't do anything really mean to people they isolate, or people they manage to trickily get to, except, well, spam Stunning Strike. Which brings us full circle. They can use their Skirmishing abilities to get to a really annoying guy and then Stun him until the fight is over (usually only 3-4 rounds and the Monk probably took one to get there). Or if there is no &quot;really annoying guy&quot; who needs to be got to, which is like, most fights in my experience (and WotC's official encounters in adventures mirror this), then the Monk can y'know, Stun whoever is most dangerous.Their DPR is too low for them to go around on &quot;cleanup duty&quot; (actually a noble and often-fun role despite the name) like you might have in an MMO/CRPG where there are skirmisher types (I'm not saying other classes are much better btw, DPR-wise, at soloing people - 5E isn't designed for it - so instead you lock them down. With Stunning Strike).5E is much kinder than 3E and even 4E (in part due to range) than to ranged attackers. There's no firing-into-melee, no mandatory Point-Blank-Shot Feat chain, there doesn't seem to be much of a &quot;ranged tax&quot; and indeed Tasha's only improved the situation further. Which is cool, but again means skirmisher isn't really &quot;a thing&quot;, because does a Monk do more damage or better lockdown (without Stunning Strike) than other ranged classes? No, I'd say. They do equal or less damage and don't actually lockdown as well as a lot. But if they use Stunning Strike, well...So anyway I've never seen a Monk who COULD use Stunning Strike, who didn't use it &quot;on the reg&quot;. I've also never seen one who used 100% of their ki for it sure, but I'd say it is a pretty damn dominant bit of the design of their class.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8746308, member: 18"] I mean, I have two games with Monks in right now. Both of them use Stunning Strike A LOT. Like, do they "spam it" by my normal definition of spam, i.e. use it every possible opportunity? No. Do they use it every possible sane opportunity when there's some kind of high-HD or otherwise threatening monster, especially a boss-type monster? Oh hell yeah. And 5E is designed around there not being skirmishers, and you can see this because Monks can't do anything [I]really mean[/I] to people they isolate, or people they manage to trickily get to, except, well, spam Stunning Strike. Which brings us full circle. They can use their Skirmishing abilities to get to a really annoying guy and then Stun him until the fight is over (usually only 3-4 rounds and the Monk probably took one to get there). Or if there is no "really annoying guy" who needs to be got to, which is like, most fights in my experience (and WotC's official encounters in adventures mirror this), then the Monk can y'know, Stun whoever is most dangerous. Their DPR is too low for them to go around on "cleanup duty" (actually a noble and often-fun role despite the name) like you might have in an MMO/CRPG where there are skirmisher types (I'm not saying other classes are much better btw, DPR-wise, at soloing people - 5E isn't designed for it - so instead you lock them down. With Stunning Strike). 5E is much kinder than 3E and even 4E (in part due to range) than to ranged attackers. There's no firing-into-melee, no mandatory Point-Blank-Shot Feat chain, there doesn't seem to be much of a "ranged tax" and indeed Tasha's only improved the situation further. Which is cool, but again means skirmisher isn't really "a thing", because does a Monk do more damage or better lockdown (without Stunning Strike) than other ranged classes? No, I'd say. They do equal or less damage and don't actually lockdown as well as a lot. But if they use Stunning Strike, well... So anyway I've never seen a Monk who COULD use Stunning Strike, who didn't use it "on the reg". I've also never seen one who used 100% of their ki for it sure, but I'd say it is a pretty damn dominant bit of the design of their class. [/QUOTE]

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