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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 8750803" data-attributes="member: 87792">Level 4 is tier 1 so isn't relevant for the Tier 2 comparison. And level 8 means that the fighter has Strength 20 and a feat while the Monk has Dex 20 but no feat.So if we're going Sword and Board then the only real choice is Polearm Master, meaning that both the fighter and the monk are using spears or quarterstaffs. At which point the Monk gets two attacks at 1d8+5 and a bonus action attack at 1d8+5, each averaging 9.5 damage per hit before taking into account magic weapons. By contrast the duelist Fighter gets two attacks at 1d6+7 damage (average 10.5) and a bonus action attack doing 1d4+7 damage (average 9.5). The fighter's standard action attacks are therefore stronger than the monk's and the fighter's bonus action attack is the same strength as the monk's.The monk does more damage if and only if they spend their ki points flurrying. Otherwise the fighter hits harder. And if, as you propose, the monk spends most of their time dodging they are way behind.It is - but did you miss the point where the fighter has +1 to hit? Which more or less cancels that out.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 8750803, member: 87792"] Level 4 is tier 1 so isn't relevant for the Tier 2 comparison. And level 8 means that the fighter has Strength 20 [I]and[/I] a feat while the Monk has Dex 20 but no feat. So if we're going Sword and Board then the only real choice is Polearm Master, meaning that both the fighter and the monk are using spears or quarterstaffs. At which point the Monk gets two attacks at 1d8+5 and a bonus action attack at 1d8+5, each averaging 9.5 damage per hit before taking into account magic weapons. By contrast the duelist Fighter gets two attacks at 1d6+7 damage (average 10.5) and a bonus action attack doing 1d4+7 damage (average 9.5). The fighter's standard action attacks are therefore stronger than the monk's and the fighter's bonus action attack is the same strength as the monk's. The monk does more damage [I]if and only if[/I] they spend their ki points flurrying. Otherwise the fighter hits harder. And if, as you propose, the monk spends most of their time dodging they are way behind. It is - but did you miss the point where the fighter has +1 to hit? Which more or less cancels that out. [/QUOTE]

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