Short Rests?

[MarkB]

Well, the issue here is if the leader is the one unconscious - the argument being made is that the character can't heal (even with surges available) unless a power is used by an outside source to let them wake up.

If a character has their Second Wind available, than any PC could rouse them - but if a character has used it, there is no default way for other PCs to wake them up. And while Second Wind might return after a Short Rest, the entire argument at hand is that unconscious PCs cannot take a Short Rest. (Which I can't find anything in the rules that actually says that, but do agree that the healing rules could be a lot more clearly written.)

I didn't think it had been suggested that unconscious-but-stable characters couldn't take a short rest. The mere fact that they recover automatically after an extended rest indicates that they are resting, and the only difference between a short rest and an extended rest is the duration.

The issue was whether, after a short rest, they could spend healing surges to recover without outside intervention. I'm still not totally sold on that idea, but I certainly agree that an unconscious character will have recovered his Second Wind by that point, allowing it to be triggered by a DC10 Heal check.

 

[CapnZapp]

Short Rest is 5 minutes.

No, you're explicitly encouraged to not count short rests in minutes and seconds.

The 5 minute figure is just a suggestion.

 

[CapnZapp]

Short Rest is 5 minutes.

No, you're explicitly encouraged to not count short rests in minutes and seconds.

The 5 minute figure is just a suggestion. It is not a rule saying a short rest is the equivalent of 5x10 combat rounds (or whatever).