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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 9260916" data-attributes="member: 93670"><p>This is an example of why the fuzzy <em>cantrip but not really </em>distinction causes endless and totally foreseeable headaches for gms. I'm not aware of any fighting styles that stack with poison spray fire bolt or till the dead, booming blade and gfb should obviously not be cantrip+ things that get an exception that needs to be balanced against all possible fighting style+feat+(multi)class combos of today Long with every new possibility as splatbooks are added. Since you asked, should I take it as a given that you can name a fighting style s wizard 20 could pickup through a feat and obviously be able to use with firebolt poison spray or toll the dead with rock solid RAI supporting it?</p><p></p><p>Again the same problem. Which maneuvers if today stack with poison spray furebolt and till the dead? Which maneuvers if a few splatbooks from now stack with them? Either they are cantrips or <em>cantrip-like but more </em>and need to occupy a design space that can carry the "but more" like (sub)class abilities or feats without dumping that on the gm. Once again the wizard 20 maneuver via feat plus firebolt poison spray or toll the dead question?</p><p></p><p>From 3.5? Those got simplified away in 5e. Also you are aware of how magic wands modify cantrips & spells is different from magic weapon right?</p><p></p><p>For melee characters that is the role of a class ability feat or different/possibly magical weapon. There is even a few leveled spells that literally do those things. Cantrip us the wrong design space for those.</p><p></p><p><strong><em>A</em></strong> cantrip is very much not anywhere near"a bunch of resources". Multiple races give one or more canntrip for free and the fact that these present as cantrip+ even makes it difficult for the GM to do things like allow finding crafting or purchasing cantrip wands or similar without balancing those wands against the power of cantrip+.options occupying the wrong design space.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 9260916, member: 93670"] This is an example of why the fuzzy [I]cantrip but not really [/I]distinction causes endless and totally foreseeable headaches for gms. I'm not aware of any fighting styles that stack with poison spray fire bolt or till the dead, booming blade and gfb should obviously not be cantrip+ things that get an exception that needs to be balanced against all possible fighting style+feat+(multi)class combos of today Long with every new possibility as splatbooks are added. Since you asked, should I take it as a given that you can name a fighting style s wizard 20 could pickup through a feat and obviously be able to use with firebolt poison spray or toll the dead with rock solid RAI supporting it? Again the same problem. Which maneuvers if today stack with poison spray furebolt and till the dead? Which maneuvers if a few splatbooks from now stack with them? Either they are cantrips or [I]cantrip-like but more [/I]and need to occupy a design space that can carry the "but more" like (sub)class abilities or feats without dumping that on the gm. Once again the wizard 20 maneuver via feat plus firebolt poison spray or toll the dead question? From 3.5? Those got simplified away in 5e. Also you are aware of how magic wands modify cantrips & spells is different from magic weapon right? For melee characters that is the role of a class ability feat or different/possibly magical weapon. There is even a few leveled spells that literally do those things. Cantrip us the wrong design space for those. [B][I]A[/I][/B] cantrip is very much not anywhere near"a bunch of resources". Multiple races give one or more canntrip for free and the fact that these present as cantrip+ even makes it difficult for the GM to do things like allow finding crafting or purchasing cantrip wands or similar without balancing those wands against the power of cantrip+.options occupying the wrong design space. [/QUOTE]
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