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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Fanaelialae" data-source="post: 9154190" data-attributes="member: 53980">Let's look at an all martial party. A 20th level battle master fighter, samurai fighter, berserker barbarian, and assassin rogue. No magic items.How do they take down a Demilich (CR18, which should be an easy encounter)? It's immune to non-magical weapons.CR4 Coatls could give them trouble. Again, immune to non-magical weapons, The mummy rot from a CR15 mummy lord would be a death sentence if they can't find an NPC to cast remove curse on them (or simply can't reach them in time - no access to teleport).If most of them are strength based, even CR 3 manticores could give them a hard time (because strength based ranged weapons have a pitiful range). Since javelins only have a maximum 120' range, the manticores can move away after they attack and perpetually remain out of range, allowing only a readied action at disadvantage to counterattack. Admittedly, this is not nearly the same issue for dexterity oriented martials.**Which brings me to a tangent that really grinds my gears. Why is a 1st level wizard with 8 strength able to lob a javelin the same distance as a 20th level fighter with 20+ strength!?Not to mention running up against something like a wall of force blocking their path or getting imprisoned in a forcecage. Now consider a 20th level party of all casters. A life cleric, abjuration wizard, moon druid, and lore bard. Again, no magic items. Do you honestly think that any of those encounters I listed would give them much trouble? I seriously doubt it.There are plenty of encounters that an all martial party will struggle with (or find downright impossible) at both low and high levels, without the right magic items (or support from a spellcaster). Whereas caster will have little to no trouble with most encounters. Even against a beholder with it's anti-magic eye, all they need to do is spread out so it can only target one of them at a time.</blockquote>

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