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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9158622" data-attributes="member: 7030563">Extraordinary but not supernatural.None of them are Mundane as far as their real or filmed athletic exploits.With the exception of the Rock none of them are supernatural in any of their exploits I am aware of.Rock falls in both camps as far as supernatural depending on what movie.  Jumping from one building to another in a car in Fast and Furious is not supernatural at all.  Some of his things in Jumangi and Jungle Cruise are supernatural.To clarify you said martials, but are you really asking about martials or are you asking about non-casters or are you asking about fighters or some other combination of classes?I am not sure what you mean exactly by top of himan ability, but I think if we want a certain dynamic that puts PCs above and beyond what the rules currently allow, that should be captured in a subclass and I would be ok with a subclass for fighters or wizards or any other class that did that. I do not think that kind of thing should be a part of the core class mechanics as I think many players don't want that in the class.   They have a different idea of what they want to play when they select a class.  I think putting it in a subclass (or subclasses) satisfies everyone, putting it there  for those that want it and offering other alternatives for those that don't.Finally I would say everything I have personally seen Jackie Chan or Hulk Hogan do is already allowed under the rules.Michael Phelps best 50m freestyle is 23.04s.  Any 5E character with a 30 foot move can do this in 30s. A 2nd level fighter can do it in 27s.  A 5th level Barbarian can do it in 22.5s.  A 2nd level Rogue can do it in 20s, a 6th level Rangercan do it in 15s and a 10th level Monk can do it in 12s.   The comparison with his other records are similar.  So I think we are already kind of there with MP.Monks in tier 5 can match Usain Bolt.  Other characters cant.The other real athletes on your list not so much, but they are not really engaging in combat either..</blockquote>

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