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Should martial characters be mundane or supernatural?
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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9162566" data-attributes="member: 7030563"><p>To start with Unwavering Mark is unlimited. I played a Cavalier and this was awesome. You are pretty much forcing everyone you hit to attack you or attack with disadvantage. This is the ultimate defender ability. The disadvantage mechanic is extremely powerful and unlimited.</p><p></p><p>I think you are talking about the bonus action attack, which is limited but that is only is a ribbon feature of this ability and most fighters are going to have ways to use their bonus action already, through things like PAM, GWM, TWF or Shield Master, not to mention Second Wind which all fighters get. There are some fighter builds that have limited bonus actions, but those builds are probably not playing Cavaliers. As a result this is not a limit that comes into play when playing the subclass. In my case I played a Two-Weapon Fighter with a 12 Strength. So I only had 1 use of this bonus attack per day, but I was almost never in a position where I could not attack with a bonus action anyway.</p><p></p><p>Warding Maneuver is limited, but when I played a Cavalier I rarely ran out of it because enemies usually attacked me anyway and when they attacked others they had disadvantage and usually missed. Honestly I can't remember running out of uses of Warding Maneuver a single time. I am sure I did, but I don't remeber it.</p><p></p><p>That said, the relevant question is can you play the kind of character you want to play. Thematically the Cavalier is spot on, and that is what matters, not how many uses of x power they get. If you are not playing a mounted campaign it is less so, but then you probably are not playing a Cavalier for such a campaign.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Like I said Unwaivering Mark is unlimited and I could do Warding Maneuver every time it offered itself.</p><p></p><p>Morover born into the saddle, Hold the Line and the Charger thing are also unlimited.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Scaling is not really relevant to this discussion I don't think. Who cares if it scales well? 5E is easy anyway once you get a subclass and even if subclass abilities didn't scale at all it hardly matters, you will still defeat most level-appropriate enemies easily. What matters is does the class do what it is supposed to thematically. You could take a fighter with no sublcass and roll through most enemies.</p><p></p><p>I have not played da Samaurai, so I don't have personal experience to draw from like I do Cavalier, but again the subclass seems to be very well designed, doing thematically exactly what it should do.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 9162566, member: 7030563"] To start with Unwavering Mark is unlimited. I played a Cavalier and this was awesome. You are pretty much forcing everyone you hit to attack you or attack with disadvantage. This is the ultimate defender ability. The disadvantage mechanic is extremely powerful and unlimited. I think you are talking about the bonus action attack, which is limited but that is only is a ribbon feature of this ability and most fighters are going to have ways to use their bonus action already, through things like PAM, GWM, TWF or Shield Master, not to mention Second Wind which all fighters get. There are some fighter builds that have limited bonus actions, but those builds are probably not playing Cavaliers. As a result this is not a limit that comes into play when playing the subclass. In my case I played a Two-Weapon Fighter with a 12 Strength. So I only had 1 use of this bonus attack per day, but I was almost never in a position where I could not attack with a bonus action anyway. Warding Maneuver is limited, but when I played a Cavalier I rarely ran out of it because enemies usually attacked me anyway and when they attacked others they had disadvantage and usually missed. Honestly I can't remember running out of uses of Warding Maneuver a single time. I am sure I did, but I don't remeber it. That said, the relevant question is can you play the kind of character you want to play. Thematically the Cavalier is spot on, and that is what matters, not how many uses of x power they get. If you are not playing a mounted campaign it is less so, but then you probably are not playing a Cavalier for such a campaign. Like I said Unwaivering Mark is unlimited and I could do Warding Maneuver every time it offered itself. Morover born into the saddle, Hold the Line and the Charger thing are also unlimited. Scaling is not really relevant to this discussion I don't think. Who cares if it scales well? 5E is easy anyway once you get a subclass and even if subclass abilities didn't scale at all it hardly matters, you will still defeat most level-appropriate enemies easily. What matters is does the class do what it is supposed to thematically. You could take a fighter with no sublcass and roll through most enemies. I have not played da Samaurai, so I don't have personal experience to draw from like I do Cavalier, but again the subclass seems to be very well designed, doing thematically exactly what it should do. [/QUOTE]
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