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Message: <blockquote data-quote="CreamCloud0" data-source="post: 9163288" data-attributes="member: 7034710">i can't bother responding to everything you've thrown at me here so i'm just going to select a few choice bits-'i don't imagine fighters to climb' is a really sad take IMO, couldn't be hercules or conan or link barehand climbing up the side of a mountain or up some ruins-continuing in the vein of DnD turning basic martial capabilites into spells because they're cowards who can't imagine martials being compentent i was imagining something more along the lines of conjour barrage and volley-goading strike isn't mindcontrolling them to attack the fighter, the fighter hit them, it's a challenge, it's 'fight me you coward' and a save to not be a gullible fool, you're already worked up in the heat of battle and someone just smacked you around, coolheaded rational thoughs aren't what people are bringing to the table when the ability is being used.-i'm the one bringing charm person into this not you, it's a single target, first level spell with a wisdom save, i found it pretty comparable to the mechanical strength of goading strike, i was emphasising the complete lack of scalling of the fighter's abilities-to compare to spells again, if maneuvres were spells the wizard at 15th level would have 9 1st level spells they can't upcast and have aproximately 12 uses between them all per long rest(4+2 short rest refreshes) and that's presuming you've used all of them before you rest again-jumping is still jumping, and these are legendary heroes</blockquote>

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